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Late-Term (AKA "Partial Birth") Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? 1
#23533579 - 08/12/16 03:16 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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So I stumbled upon these 2nd trimester and 3rd trimester abortion videos. These would actually be very informative, if it didn't have such bullshit Christian propaganda behind it.
Take for example, the 2nd trimester abortion video. It's propaganda, so they didn't include the shot that they inject into the fetus, causing it to lose consciousness first. The video tries to insinuate the baby is torn limb by limb and then ripped out alive, which is untrue.
Third Trimester abortion video:
I added a poll above to see what people think. Now, if you believe it should, or shouldn't be legal, state why below.
MY PERSONAL CONSENSUS IS: late-term abortion should always be LEGAL.
Even if the pregnancy is not conceived from rape. Even if it doesn't save the woman's life to terminate. There are other reasons why second trimester and late-term abortions are still so necessary.
The reason is, often times fetuses aren't large enough until at least 18-20 weeks to do a fully comprehensive brain and body ultrasound scan, so you actually don't find out about severe deformities or disabilities until well into the second trimester. Some deformities, you don't even find out about until weeks after that, reaching into the third trimester.
I strongly recommend you go to http://endingawantedpregnancy.com/stories/ and read the different testimonials and stories from different mothers who wanted their babies, but terminated because they found out their child would have these types of deformities.
These are the real faces of women who have late-term abortions. They grieve because their babies were WANTED, that's why they carried so late to term.
Instead, they found out their baby would be in immense pain for all of its life (like if it had a severe case of spin bifida or hydrocephalus or something else), or they found out their child had holes in their brain and was legally brain-dead and would never walk or talk or even be able to react, and there are also other women who have found out that even if their child was born, it would not live past 2 years.
These aren't "minor" disabilities like simply missing a leg or having a cleft lip. These are ones where they will need constant 24/7 care to even shower or eat or move their bodies, and they are in such bad pain they can't even sleep. And that's not just while they're babies, but for the rest of their adult lives too.
This whole notion of fickle women getting abortions simply to avoid minor inconveniences to themselves, like these Right-Wing extremist parties are trying to push, is a crock of shit.
Edited by Crystal G (08/12/16 04:53 AM)
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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: Crystal G] 1
#23533582 - 08/12/16 03:19 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yes, yes, and double fucking yes.
That's the extent of my input on this conversation cause all you Americans are gonna get involved and turn this into a 30 page extravaganza now...
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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: Jokeshopbeard] 1
#23533599 - 08/12/16 03:36 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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That's the extent of my input on this conversation cause all you Americans are gonna get involved and turn this into a 30 page extravaganza now...
Exactly what I was thinking. I'm out.
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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: goldcaphunter]
#23533657 - 08/12/16 04:43 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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The republicans have been using this issue (non-issue imo) as an excuse to garner votes from the christian demographic of this country. There is no legitimate reasoning as to why this is a problem in the first place. Another non issue perpetuated by the right, fueled by an archaic religious agenda that continues to divide our country as a whole.
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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: Cosmic_Flame]
#23533663 - 08/12/16 04:52 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Interesting. Because most pro-choicers are for 1st-term abortions, some are even for 2nd-term abortions. But very few pro-choicers are even for 3rd-term abortions being legal, except in cases where the mother's life is in danger.
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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: goldcaphunter] 1
#23533671 - 08/12/16 05:07 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Jokeshopbeard said: Yes, yes, and double fucking yes.
That's the extent of my input on this conversation cause all you Americans are gonna get involved and turn this into a 30 page extravaganza now...
Exactly what I was thinking. I'm out.
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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: Crystal G]
#23533673 - 08/12/16 05:07 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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If the parents want to abort it you know already that the babys life is gonna be shitty might aswell let them abort it
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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: Cosmic_Flame]
#23533786 - 08/12/16 06:58 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Cosmic_Flame said: The republicans have been using this issue (non-issue imo) as an excuse to garner votes from the christian demographic of this country. There is no legitimate reasoning as to why this is a problem in the first place. Another non issue perpetuated by the right, fueled by an archaic religious agenda that continues to divide our country as a whole.
wrong. democrats have used this issue to vilify republicans. most republicans dont give a shit about abortion
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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: Prisoner#1] 1
#23533817 - 08/12/16 07:22 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Cosmic_Flame said: The republicans have been using this issue (non-issue imo) as an excuse to garner votes from the christian demographic of this country. There is no legitimate reasoning as to why this is a problem in the first place. Another non issue perpetuated by the right, fueled by an archaic religious agenda that continues to divide our country as a whole.
wrong. democrats have used this issue to vilify republicans. most republicans dont give a shit about abortion
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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23533864 - 08/12/16 07:49 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Cosmic_Flame said: The republicans have been using this issue (non-issue imo) as an excuse to garner votes from the christian demographic of this country. There is no legitimate reasoning as to why this is a problem in the first place. Another non issue perpetuated by the right, fueled by an archaic religious agenda that continues to divide our country as a whole.
wrong. democrats have used this issue to vilify republicans. most republicans dont give a shit about abortion
Wrong, the republican party disagrees with your statement, they fully support anti abortion legislation so they do indeed give a poop about abortion. Ted Cruz of Texas instantly comes to mind concerning this issue. The republicans have vilified themselves plenty from this nonsense of bathroom laws, to the ridiculousness of having anti-abortion a part of their platform.
Woah I didn't know you knew most republicans, like no way. How long did it take to meet them all and interview them? Must of been a few decades at least 
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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: Cosmic_Flame] 1
#23533879 - 08/12/16 07:59 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Some people should be aborted well into their adult lives.
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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: Patlal]
#23533955 - 08/12/16 08:40 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Only to save the mother, I voted
Once a women opens her legs, she looses autonomy of her uterus. A new sequence of dna is created,it has the potential under natural cercumstances(as opposed to cloning) to develope an identity(which animals cant do)
thousands of babies are aborted every day. Its fucking disgusting, I suppose life and people are fucking disgusting though. I hear peple go on about how unimportant human life is, how we are animals. thanks secular materialism, really appriciate the injection of nhialism into the culture
if you get an abortion, fuck you, you should be in prison. I just watched this travesty of liberal garbage called the Knick that had a long running pro abortion romance of a pair aborting babies for money in the 20's Its beyond disturbing how little babies mean
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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: Cosmic_Flame]
#23534003 - 08/12/16 09:00 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Cosmic_Flame said: The republicans have been using this issue (non-issue imo) as an excuse to garner votes from the christian demographic of this country. There is no legitimate reasoning as to why this is a problem in the first place. Another non issue perpetuated by the right, fueled by an archaic religious agenda that continues to divide our country as a whole.
wrong. democrats have used this issue to vilify republicans. most republicans dont give a shit about abortion
Wrong, the republican party disagrees with your statement, they fully support anti abortion legislation so they do indeed give a poop about abortion. Ted Cruz of Texas instantly comes to mind concerning this issue. The republicans have vilified themselves plenty from this nonsense of bathroom laws, to the ridiculousness of having anti-abortion a part of their platform.
just because someone disagrees with something doesnt mean they feel it should be illegal, it's no different than those people that dont use drugs but do support their legalization. remember sarah palin? she doesnt support abortion but when an abortion bill cam across her desk she signed it into law ensuring people in alaska had access.
the media likes to take a few outspoken republicans and catapult them into the spotlight, they push it as if all republican want to outlaw abortions, and as you said, it's a non issue because it's not something that will change but the media continues to push these narratives and of course there are those on both sides that pander to their voter base including pro life democrats, funny thing is, you dont hear anything about the pro-life democrats
http://www.democratsforlife.org/index.php/about-us
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whoa... I didnt know yo9u spoke for every republican voter
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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: Jokeshopbeard] 3
#23534010 - 08/12/16 09:04 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Jokeshopbeard said: Yes, yes, and double fucking yes.
That's the extent of my input on this conversation cause all you Americans are gonna get involved and turn this into a 30 page extravaganza now...
Americans. Fuck yeah.
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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: specialpeopleclub] 3
#23534030 - 08/12/16 09:14 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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specialpeopleclub said: thousands of babies are aborted every day. Its fucking disgusting
if you get an abortion, fuck you, you should be in prison.
the thing is, many of those unwanted children will be in prison, they'll create millions of victims in the process of getting there, so in reality, what you're saying is you support higher crime rates, victimization of innocents, a lifetime of drug addiction and much higher taxes to cover the healthcare and support of these unwanted people on welfare, rehab and prison
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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#23534139 - 08/12/16 09:53 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Jokeshopbeard said: Yes, yes, and double fucking yes.
That's the extent of my input on this conversation cause all you Americans are gonna get involved and turn this into a 30 page extravaganza now...
I completely agree on abortion at all stages as well.
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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23534143 - 08/12/16 09:56 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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specialpeopleclub said: thousands of babies are aborted every day. Its fucking disgusting
if you get an abortion, fuck you, you should be in prison.
the thing is, many of those unwanted children will be in prison, they'll create millions of victims in the process of getting there, so in reality, what you're saying is you support higher crime rates, victimization of innocents, a lifetime of drug addiction and much higher taxes to cover the healthcare and support of these unwanted people on welfare, rehab and prison
Agreed. Some people let their feelings get in the way of what is best.
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specialpeopleclub said: Only to save the mother, I voted
Once a women opens her legs, she looses autonomy of her uterus. A new sequence of dna is created,it has the potential under natural cercumstances(as opposed to cloning) to develope an identity(which animals cant do)
thousands of babies are aborted every day. Its fucking disgusting, I suppose life and people are fucking disgusting though. I hear peple go on about how unimportant human life is, how we are animals. thanks secular materialism, really appriciate the injection of nhialism into the culture
if you get an abortion, fuck you, you should be in prison. I just watched this travesty of liberal garbage called the Knick that had a long running pro abortion romance of a pair aborting babies for money in the 20's Its beyond disturbing how little babies mean
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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23534193 - 08/12/16 10:07 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Cosmic_Flame said: The republicans have been using this issue (non-issue imo) as an excuse to garner votes from the christian demographic of this country. There is no legitimate reasoning as to why this is a problem in the first place. Another non issue perpetuated by the right, fueled by an archaic religious agenda that continues to divide our country as a whole.
wrong. democrats have used this issue to vilify republicans. most republicans dont give a shit about abortion
Wrong, the republican party disagrees with your statement, they fully support anti abortion legislation so they do indeed give a poop about abortion. Ted Cruz of Texas instantly comes to mind concerning this issue. The republicans have vilified themselves plenty from this nonsense of bathroom laws, to the ridiculousness of having anti-abortion a part of their platform.
just because someone disagrees with something doesnt mean they feel it should be illegal, it's no different than those people that dont use drugs but do support their legalization. remember sarah palin? she doesnt support abortion but when an abortion bill cam across her desk she signed it into law ensuring people in alaska had access.
the media likes to take a few outspoken republicans and catapult them into the spotlight, they push it as if all republican want to outlaw abortions, and as you said, it's a non issue because it's not something that will change but the media continues to push these narratives and of course there are those on both sides that pander to their voter base including pro life democrats, funny thing is, you dont hear anything about the pro-life democrats
http://www.democratsforlife.org/index.php/about-us
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Woah I didn't know you knew most republicans, like no way. How long did it take to meet them all and interview them? Must of been a few decades at least 
whoa... I didnt know yo9u spoke for every republican voter
http://www.gopchoice.org/
Damn dude you really do take the cake and then some. The problem is when those beliefs turn into legislation against women's bodies, which is wrong. It has nothing to with a difference of opinion, if it was only that there wouldnt be any issue. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and beliefs but the line is crossed the minute these republicans start drafting bills that endanger a woman's life. I shouldnt have to explain this but if I leave anything up in the air you'll misconstrue my post and take things out of context.
Are you're denying that its a part of the republican party's overall platform? It doesnt matter what a few republicans think or do, what matters is what the party agrees to as to what is a part of their platform. Its the same with the dems. There's a few that do not support abortion just like their republican counterparts, however overall the democratic party doesnt endorse that stance and are pro choice by majority. Yes blame the media, such a cop out...Next you're going to try to tell me that the republican party supports the lgbtq community lmao, because there's this many republicans that do *holds up fingers
I apologize for being snarky but its hard to take you seriously when you're advocating so hard for a party that nominated Donald Trump as their presidential candidate and also using the #notallrepublicans argument, it is weak.
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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
#23534205 - 08/12/16 10:11 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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The statistics that are cited about abortion and crime are unconvincing since crime was going don before that for other reasons Its just another way for thye unthinking delinquents to not take responsibility
parents who have iids they cant tak care of, afford, deserve jail women who have abortions should have their right to consent revoked
liberals always try to over play the 'it ist a human' or 'its just goo' thing. Its beyond disgusting. It has distinct dna, and can become a person if the mom isnt an irresponsibe entitled bitch who thinks her womb isnt occupied. Thankfuly half of women have some sense and are against this
once you spread your leggs you are giving up autonomy of your womb.
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