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loggrower
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Re: Do you let grain spawn fully thicken? [Re: Ferather]
#23537922 - 08/13/16 12:59 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I have to be certified organic, so while I will test your WL Tek... But, I will have to mod it by trying organic micro-nutrient fish fertilizer/chicken manure, and other stuff.
I looked at this SPF I bought, it's very very heavy on nitrogen. Are you sure most the growth boost isn't from putting the mycelium on nitro?
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Ferather said: Buy some paper pellets, kitty litter, they are grey coloured pellets. Buy the SPF and YN, follow the recipe, use as spawn.
Skip grain spawn, it's pricy to use ready carbs. Wood lovers convert plant fiber to food.
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loggrower
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Re: Do you let grain spawn fully thicken? [Re: Ferather]
#23537963 - 08/13/16 01:15 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ferather said: Skip grain spawn, it's pricy to use ready carbs. Wood lovers convert plant fiber to food.
Yea, they do... I use to grow out tons of spawn on sawdust and oatmeal. I used flattened oats that melted when PC'd to partially cover the sawdust... Works amazing.
However, I need to get grain spawn down.
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Ferather
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Re: Do you let grain spawn fully thicken? [Re: loggrower]
#23537991 - 08/13/16 01:25 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Fair play, you have your head set on a chosen method. Speak to Gr0wer or Drake for accurate, recent info.
Gr0wer prefers organic fertilizers too.
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loggrower
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Re: Do you let grain spawn fully thicken? [Re: Ferather]
#23538118 - 08/13/16 02:12 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ferather said: Fair play, you have your head set on a chosen method. Speak to Gr0wer or Drake for accurate, recent info.
Gr0wer prefers organic fertilizers too.
With the volume I can move... I need to work with a cheap commercial spawn source, or one with spawn that can be bulked! I move more in dry mushrooms than fresh.
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loggrower
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Re: Do you let grain spawn fully thicken? [Re: loggrower]
#23561797 - 08/21/16 12:06 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Just wanted to report back.
SPF + YN mixed at a ratio to get 1% Nitrogen... Added 25 Grams to quarter pound of spawn. Not heavily sterilized, just baked at 250f for an hour.
Fully contaminated after a day and a half... Weird little dots formed all over the grain even before the mycelium took off.
Composted Organic 3-2-2 Chicken Manure + YN to get 1% added Nitrogen... Holy sh*t! Explosive thick mycelium growth! Same weak sterilization, will move to testing with full wet PC sterilization.
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Ferather
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Re: Do you let grain spawn fully thicken? [Re: loggrower]
#23562074 - 08/21/16 03:53 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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So the SPF + YN was more potent, good. Those dots are bacteria. You made them more aggressive and faster, shame.
It's good you got a usable second result. This is why I avoid adding grains.
Well done, keep us updated.
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loggrower
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Re: Do you let grain spawn fully thicken? [Re: Ferather]
#23578064 - 08/25/16 11:08 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I have noticed that the grains that do not colonize fast in this commercial spawn have a tendency toward forming a weird nearly transparent "slime" like layer, mostly visible when up against plastic.
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loggrower
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Re: Do you let grain spawn fully thicken? [Re: loggrower]
#23578068 - 08/25/16 11:12 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm going to test an experimental way of cleaning up this spawn... Grow it out in quart jars of grain, except with a inch of sawdust on top, and a tunnel down through the middle of sawdust put in place with a sawdust filled tube.
The idea is that the mycelium will flash down through the sawdust and through the grain and maybe whatever it's got doesn't follow fast enough.
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Re: Do you let grain spawn fully thicken? [Re: loggrower]
#23578457 - 08/26/16 02:58 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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loggrower said: I have noticed that the grains that do not colonize fast in this commercial spawn have a tendency toward forming a weird nearly transparent "slime" like layer, mostly visible when up against plastic.
Pics of slime? Could be over colonized spawn.
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Ferather
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Re: Do you let grain spawn fully thicken? [Re: invitro]
#23578608 - 08/26/16 05:19 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Throw it away, that is a very nasty bacteria that produces fatal toxins and slime. Do not open it indoors. Using grains can prove so fatal.
Please use another tek.
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frog48
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Re: Do you let grain spawn fully thicken? [Re: Ferather]
#23578646 - 08/26/16 05:52 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Really like to see a pic. Sounds like over colonized spawn to me. Never saw the slime thing!
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adadada
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Re: Do you let grain spawn fully thicken? [Re: Ferather]
#23579918 - 08/26/16 12:51 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Please provide supporting details for this claim.
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Ferather said: Throw it away, that is a very nasty bacteria that produces fatal toxins and slime. Do not open it indoors. Using grains can prove so fatal.
Please use another tek.
Edited by adadada (08/26/16 12:54 PM)
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Ferather
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Re: Do you let grain spawn fully thicken? [Re: adadada]
#23580810 - 08/26/16 04:43 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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It's most likely Bacillus cereus, which can cause food poisoning and common on grains.
Here is the info about wet spot, and bacterial slime.
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