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Have you experienced ego death on shrooms or 1p-lsd?
    #23532105 - 08/11/16 04:38 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

So im most interested in shrooms, but also the 1p-lsd.

I tripped a lot years ago but never had an ego death, ive been back on the scene recently and have been playing with some lower doses of shrooms just to remind myself of them haha 3g and 4g dried in fresh oj, they were nice but nothing mega. As i planned though. Had 1p bunch of times just up to 250ug so far, nice trips but nothing too hairy. I plan to increase them in time bit by bit.

In time id like to try for an ago death, a reset and such, i wanted to ask those who have experienced this what dose were you on? And of what kind of shrooms or other drug of choice? I know that dosage wont guarantee this and sometimes it just happens when it wants to. But im interested to know to give me an idea. I dont plan to increase dosages too fast so i wont go eat 20g dry or something daft, just like a general idea on what works for most poeple is all.

And also, can 1p-lsd or lsd provide ego death type experience also? Ive heard and read many tales of crazy trips and visuals which ive yet to experience as ive only been up to 250ug so far, i only incresase by 50ug each time, i trip alone to try to err on the side of caution and such......

Thanks a bunch in advance for any info :smile:


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Re: Have you experienced ego death on shrooms or 1p-lsd? [Re: Spellbound]
    #23532254 - 08/11/16 05:23 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

It is not pleasent.

If you deserve an Ego death, it will happen eventually.
Until then, you're kust building too it with ego loss.

Im not sure why one would want ego death.

It permanently will change you.


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Re: Have you experienced ego death on shrooms or 1p-lsd? [Re: Spellbound]
    #23532347 - 08/11/16 06:01 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I've  experienced it on mushrooms, and I almost got somewhat close on 1P. I would guesstimate maybe 500-700ug would probably do it. But I feel it would be qualitatively different on 1P compared to mushrooms. Ego death on mushrooms is this visceral harsh total annihilation experience. I imagine on 1P it would be a lot different and perhaps never quite as harsh.

Frankly now I'd kinda like to see what it looks like on 1P :lol:


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Re: Have you experienced ego death on shrooms or 1p-lsd? [Re: nooneman]
    #23532470 - 08/11/16 06:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yes i understand it likely will have a scary side, but it is something i do want to experience. Whether i feel it takes my mind to another dimension, gives me a reset, or i feel nothing was gained and i never want to again! All possible, but it is an experience i would like, even just once, then i know.

Hey well if you ever experiment on 1p and achieve it do come let us know :lol:

I will be having some 1p soon, not had any since about march i think, might go to 300ug this time and see what that does ^_^


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Re: Have you experienced ego death on shrooms or 1p-lsd? [Re: Spellbound]
    #23532525 - 08/11/16 07:09 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

That thing that you either conciously or sub conciously hold the most dear "sense of self" is what you ultimately need to be able to gamble with. Even at the highest of doses you will be able to hold onto it as its all you will have.
Basically are you ready to risk everything you think you have because you will be asked and you will need to say yes.
Beware what you may find may not be what you want to know.

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Re: Have you experienced ego death on shrooms or 1p-lsd? [Re: Spellbound]
    #23532663 - 08/11/16 07:49 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

4 grams of shrooms should definitely be mega. You also don't need ego death for a reset. My existential reset was with only 3 grams.

For ego death I generally have to take 4.5 to 5.5 grams. My first trip though I was able to reach it with just an eighth.


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Re: Have you experienced ego death on shrooms or 1p-lsd? [Re: WhyDidiDoThis]
    #23532679 - 08/11/16 07:53 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Im not sure why one would want ego death.

It permanently will change you.




Hmm I don't know about that...

I don't remember ego death changing me anymore than other aspects of the trip. I feel like introspection changes people more as well as gaining new perspectives. Ego death might make you feel less anxious about things like real death though, I think one of the only reasons someone would want to kill the ego would be just to be aware that they have an ego and that's all it is, an ego and nothing more. Its hard to know what ego is until you finally slay it.


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Re: Have you experienced ego death on shrooms or 1p-lsd? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23532753 - 08/11/16 08:17 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

7 grams and I experienced "ego death". It was far from the kind of "transcendental" peak experience I thought it might be (much less remotely spiritual)  more like holding on for dear life in the middle of a tsunami. And yeah, you never really lose your sense of self. You do lose your sanity, in the sense that you can no longer concentrate on or even remember your train of thought one moment to the next. It's the complete absence of "consistency" or predictability insofar as your sense of orientation inside your head that can be scary. At some point within the first 2 hours you will have to surrender to it, and being willing to do so is the only thing you can do in the way of preparation. Some say it resembles a psychotic personality disintegration, which I guess is accurate. 
  You really can't stay/think ahead of it, you think you're prepared but it just washes you over.

  It's a very humbling experience and can be very emotionally painful. You'd be well advised to have some benzos on hand if you have any bad memories that you'd prefer stayed buried in your psyche.


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Re: Have you experienced ego death on shrooms or 1p-lsd? [Re: AuroraBorealis88] * 1
    #23533385 - 08/12/16 12:07 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I'm not saying that ego death isn't different for each individual but if you weren't changed on a deep deep level you probably didn't experience total ego death. I know I haven't!

Ego loss is less extreme and is probably what most people mistake for ego death.

I'm NOT ready for ego death, most people aren't.

Why do you want to "reset" so badly?


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Re: Have you experienced ego death on shrooms or 1p-lsd? [Re: goldcaphunter]
    #23533472 - 08/12/16 01:11 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

You can't plan for ego death, it just something that will happen if your setting and intentions are right.. I have one mushroom experience 3.5g lemon tekked that has changed me as a person forever and that experience on that day has made me who I am as a person, for the rest of my life, that trip was over 2 years ago and still to this day I'm still basking in its divinity, ego death isn't a scary process and can be achieved if your intentions are right. An easy way to induce ego death is take enough mushrooms by your self in nature or a solo environment where you go into the experience with giving everything up, and let it show you and take you where it wants to go, if you're lucky you will ascend. Ego death is so profound, that out of my 30 or so trips, still this one stands out on a level unfathomable and uncomparable to the rest, I guess I'm blessed, but definitely not as scary as it sounds, once you're there, it's actually not as surprising as you'd think, it just makes perfect sense once you're there and there are no questions to be asked anymore, you literally have found what you were looking for in the most unexpected way.

200ug of ALD-52 does it for me, 400+ would just mess me up personally, I would not enjoy that, all DMT compounds are much better for spiritual transformation, i'd say stick to the mushrooms.


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    #23533574 - 08/12/16 03:08 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Have you experienced ego death on shrooms or 1p-lsd? [Re: ruaware] * 1
    #23533597 - 08/12/16 03:34 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I feel like ego loss is a gradual thing, you know like bit by bit. Maybe degradation is a better word than loss?
But death would be just complete obliteration.
Obviously the faster something changes the more intense it becomes. I feel that ego death would just be so intense that  complete permanent change in personality would be experienced.


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    #23533608 - 08/12/16 03:50 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Have you experienced ego death on shrooms or 1p-lsd? [Re: ruaware]
    #23533717 - 08/12/16 06:01 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Believe it or not, I lost complete sense of self and even lost my identity, which I would call ego death. I did not knew where the bed started and my body ended.... I was just consciousness.

This, ironically happened with weed. Old School strain, about 0.3 grams smoked as a joint. It was my very first time with weed, about a little more than a year ago. (For chronic pain, had no idea of such pleasant side-effects haha, now, I just get a small buzz haha.

On shrooms, been on 6 grams and had awesome trips, but no ego death.

I haven't had the luck to have lsd (and I know a few dealers and cannabis club owners, members, etc.


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Re: Have you experienced ego death on shrooms or 1p-lsd? [Re: AkashicExplorer]
    #23534395 - 08/12/16 11:11 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks some really interesting replies.

That makes me wonder, looking at the risk of buried memories being brought to the surface, im pretty sure i have a fair few bad memories back there so that could be something to give some thought to.

I dont know why i feel i need a reset, i just have an deep feeling inside that its something i need at the moment :shrug: cant really explain why, more a feeling. Im not going to jump in and take some silly dose of something, i am approaching this with respect, i know things can easily be over whelming and such. I also know if its not meant to be yet it wont happen regardles what i do! Lol. I also know it may happen and might be something i never want again! But i have a feeling it will be something that can offer much benefit and insight.

I do have some benzos here, one of you said ensure i do have some, ive never used one before, but i always keep a pill in quarters handy just in case things get too much or goes in a direction im not comfortable with, up to now this has never happened. I did have one bad trip many years ago, but that was my own stupid fault :shrug: just had to ride it out.


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Re: Have you experienced ego death on shrooms or 1p-lsd? [Re: goldcaphunter]
    #23534780 - 08/12/16 01:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm not saying that ego death isn't different for each individual but if you weren't changed on a deep deep level you probably didn't experience total ego death. I know I haven't!

Ego loss is less extreme and is probably what most people mistake for ego death.

I'm NOT ready for ego death, most people aren't.

Why do you want to "reset" so badly?




I did experience ego death and I never said it didn't change me it just didn't change me anymore than other profound parts of the trip. I found experiencing Satori trumped ego death quite a bit. Ego death had nothing to do with this whole matrix archetype that continually pops up.

I'm sorry to tell you this but I did get ego death, I don't really see how it would change someone that much unless they didn't know about all this. All it is is you lose the ability to have thoughts, you have no more memories or personality and you just become a single point of awareness. That's what ego death is, I experienced it before I even knew what it was though so I definitely was not ready.
Maybe it did change me but it's very hard to remember what life or my mind was like before psychedelics even my first psychedelic trip.

Some clear signs that you got ego death would be if you got a level 4 experience or if you felt literally reborn afterwards, not metaphorically reborn but like literally reborn and I got both of those.
Supposedly after the ego dies the "new one is born" which might be why it feels like a rebirth.

And you're asking me why I want a reset? I assume you're comparing the idea of why someone would want a reset as oppose to someone who wants ego death. Well the reset changes my existential perspective unlike ego death which pretty much just gives me the experience of death. It doesn't even give me a sneak peak on the other side it just shows me my true self my true awareness that will always exist forever. It shows me the thing that will travel into the next life but it doesn't actually take me there.


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Re: Have you experienced ego death on shrooms or 1p-lsd? [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #23534783 - 08/12/16 01:06 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I have one mushroom experience 3.5g lemon tekked that has changed me as a person forever and that experience on that day has made me who I am as a person, for the rest of my life, that trip was over 2 years ago and still to this day I'm still basking in its divinity




Same

Except mine was 3 grams and 3 years ago. I didn't even get ego death but it changed me more than any other trip so maybe that's why I'm not super hyped on the concept of ego death changing people dramatically.


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Re: Have you experienced ego death on shrooms or 1p-lsd? [Re: AkashicExplorer]
    #23534794 - 08/12/16 01:09 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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This, ironically happened with weed. Old School strain, about 0.3 grams smoked as a joint.

On shrooms, been on 6 grams and had awesome trips, but no ego death.




Ego death on 0.3 grams of weed but not on 6 grams of shrooms?

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Re: Have you experienced ego death on shrooms or 1p-lsd? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23535127 - 08/12/16 02:53 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Hey man, we all experience these things differently! Never forget that. Oh and please don't take my opinions negatively! I don't mean to offend I just want to share my ideas :lol: just because I disagree with some of your views on the subject in no way means you're wrong and vice versa :smile:

I definitely DO AGREE with the idea that other trips can have more of a profound effect on personality than "ego death". I was just being a hypocrite it seems :lol:
It's hard for us as humans to accept that other people are experiencing a totally different reality than we think they are :smile:

Maybe we can agree the idea of ego death is pretty impossible to define for another person? It's all about the individual experience I guess.


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This, ironically happened with weed. Old School strain, about 0.3 grams smoked as a joint.

On shrooms, been on 6 grams and had awesome trips, but no ego death.




Ego death on 0.3 grams of weed but not on 6 grams of shrooms?

Sure bro




The first time I got stoned I definitely felt something I've never felt from weed ever again :lol: it was pretty intense! Maybe not ego death in the way we've been trying to define it, but he definitely could have experienced something on a level HE PERSONALLY equates to the "definition".

Thanks for hearing me out, man. I do appreciate you're opinion and I'm sure plenty of others have wildly different views than the both of us. So it'd be great to get some more people throwing their ideas around...I know you're out there :awenuhuh:


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Re: Have you experienced ego death on shrooms or 1p-lsd? [Re: goldcaphunter]
    #23535339 - 08/12/16 04:14 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

In the end ego death is just a state of mind, and can be reached sober through meditation. It's not something you can notice happening, you don't really know what happens until after.


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Re: Have you experienced ego death on shrooms or 1p-lsd? [Re: goldcaphunter]
    #23537693 - 08/13/16 11:36 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Hey man, we all experience these things differently! Never forget that. Oh and please don't take my opinions negatively! I don't mean to offend I just want to share my ideas :lol: just because I disagree with some of your views on the subject in no way means you're wrong and vice versa :smile:




No it's fine it's just I figured you were saying I likely didn't get ego death if it didn't change me but honestly at the time I didn't know what the hell was going on and what even was all this with this feeling of rebirth and whatnot. It was literally my first psychedelic experience too and a level 4 so it was probably too much for me to grasp.

As for that guy getting ego death on weed that's just ridiculous. I love how he said 0.3 too which is virtually nothing. If you're gonna say you got ego death on weed at least say you did a huge amount or something because like really lol.
You're not gonna get ego death with weed, you're not even get a level 3. That's just not possible and weed doesn't effect long term memory so it doesn't even make sense that it could. THC leads to inhibition of glutamate neurotransmission in the hippocampus so it only effects short term memory. This is why I think weed cannot get you past a level 2. The most hardcore THC and weed highs are simply just level 2's they're just really intense level 2's.
A level 2 on mushrooms is totally different.

Weed has its limitations and for good reasons. It's actually a good thing that weed can't give you ego death even in absurdly high doses because if it could then it wouldn't be weed. Enjoy weed as what it is don't try to make it something it's not, weed is simply an aid in the journey of ego loss it isn't a short cut or a thing that will actually get you there whether you want it to or not like the real psychedelics. The real psychedelics aren't "aids" in the process of ego loss they take you right there on their own.


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Re: Have you experienced ego death on shrooms or 1p-lsd? [Re: Spellbound] * 1
    #23538195 - 08/13/16 02:54 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

On shrooms / sclerotia, a very rough guide from my personal experience is that if you find a dose that feels comfortable but has solid psychedelic effects (e.g the usual glyphs / indistinct words in the walls), then you would expect to get into "ego death" territory by the time you reach a 100% increase on that dose, if not before. The "bit by bit" approach makes a lot of sense because seemingly small increases in dose can intensify the trip a lot in ways you never expected! I don't know anything about 1p-lsd but that's my experience of shrooms.

The comment by ByCoverofNight is interesting:

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7 grams and I experienced "ego death". It was far from the kind of "transcendental" peak experience I thought it might be (much less remotely spiritual) more like holding on for dear life in the middle of a tsunami.




The "mental tsunami" experience of trying to resist (resist the trip, resist death) is spot on and not any kind of exaggeration; it's the experience of falling into this maelstrom as your mind disintegrates (literally stops integrating your mental experience into a coherent whole), where the vacuum is filled by the "transcendent peak experience" which gives you a mindblowing feeling of amazement and rapture as you return to your senses.......expect major delusions at this kind of dose level, e.g that you have become God or died or contacted aliens or something...

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Re: Have you experienced ego death on shrooms or 1p-lsd? [Re: Aldebaran]
    #23540492 - 08/14/16 11:06 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I had ego death on ~400ug of L last summer in the Atlantic ocean. I was connected to the entire planet through the ocean and then crucified like Christ in the water and subsequently reborn some time (minutes? Hours?) Later. The only way I can describe was being crucified by fire and then being washed clean and reborn by water. Transformational experience.


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Re: Have you experienced ego death on shrooms or 1p-lsd? [Re: dcthestar]
    #23540903 - 08/14/16 01:43 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I would have been afraid of forgetting how to stay afloat:lol:


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