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Morty's Monotub - Grow Log * 1
    #23531851 - 08/11/16 03:15 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Captain's Log,

Stardate...er... Day 3.

Created this guy with Damion5050's coir tek. However, I added a little extra water as I felt like the ratio he stated was slightly on the dry side.

Right now I've got her polyfil stuffed TIGHT and she's in a room that sits around 72-76 degrees F.

This is Cubensis (B+) - spawn/substrate ratio is right around a 1 / 2 - WBS was the grain choice in this one.

This is a MS tub - but I have to start somewhere. I'll be taking a tissue sample of the biggest baddest bad-ass that looks good in her genes and will transfer it into some Pasty Plates I have made up. I am done with Multi Spore now... It's time to stop hosting spore orgies in my house and move on to wearing the big kid underwear.



As always - let me know what you think and let me know if there's anything that sticks out to you. I'm quite new to indoor cultivation - especially cubensis - all feedback is welcome!


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Re: Morty's Monotub - Grow Log [Re: morty422]
    #23531911 - 08/11/16 03:34 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

How much extra water did you use? I like to use between 5 and 5.5 quarts, I feel that it gets it to perfect field capacity.

One of my biggest mistakes early on was assuming that the sub was too dry and prepping all my tubs on the wet side, without realizing it.

The surface should be a lot more colonized imo, did you use a top layer?


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Re: Morty's Monotub - Grow Log [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #23531919 - 08/11/16 03:38 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

:whathesaid: Tubs used to trich out pretty fast when I prepped on the wet side....best to prep on the dry side and topwater or mist heavily once fully colonized.


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Re: Morty's Monotub - Grow Log [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #23532069 - 08/11/16 04:28 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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How much extra water did you use? I like to use between 5 and 5.5 quarts, I feel that it gets it to perfect field capacity.

One of my biggest mistakes early on was assuming that the sub was too dry and prepping all my tubs on the wet side, without realizing it.

The surface should be a lot more colonized imo, did you use a top layer?




Yes, I added a top layer of coir/verm after mixing all the spawn and substrate together.

I used about 5.25 quarts of water in this mixture and field capacity was reached. I had to squeeze the substrate fairly hard to get the water to start dripping out of it...


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Re: Morty's Monotub - Grow Log [Re: PsilocyBen17]
    #23532073 - 08/11/16 04:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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:whathesaid: Tubs used to trich out pretty fast when I prepped on the wet side....best to prep on the dry side and topwater or mist heavily once fully colonized.




I feel like the substrate was just right... I had to squeeze fairly hard to get water to drip out of the coir/verm as I was spawning.


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Re: Morty's Monotub - Grow Log [Re: morty422]
    #23532096 - 08/11/16 04:36 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

My plan is to leave the polyfil stuffed very tight until I am ready to begin fruiting. At that point, I will follow Frank's tek on dialing in the tub with loose top holes and medium bottom holes. I will of course adjust this depending on what the tub looks like. On my last mini-tub, I did the spawn run in fruiting conditions. It is working out great and I am just about ready to grab a second flush off of it...
I would like to perform the spawn run in this tub with a little less FAE to see if the mycelium will cover that top layer just a little bit more.

I understand that cubensis does not care about FAE or Humidity in the spawn run and spawn run can be carried out in fruiting conditions without a problem.
I am experimenting with trying to grab a better pinset in this tub than the last.

Let me know if my thoughts are on the right track, thanks!


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Re: Morty's Monotub - Grow Log [Re: morty422]
    #23532137 - 08/11/16 04:45 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

who told you to stuff polyfill tightly in the holes? Your tub is taking on fresh air, I can tell from the rings left in the condensation around the holes. I suspect this is the reason for the slow colonization. Remove the polyfill and use duct tape to cover the holes. This will create an environment with high C02, the right conditions for colonization.


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Re: Morty's Monotub - Grow Log [Re: PsilocyBen17]
    #23532208 - 08/11/16 05:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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who told you to stuff polyfill tightly in the holes? Your tub is taking on fresh air, I can tell from the rings left in the condensation around the holes. I suspect this is the reason for the slow colonization. Remove the polyfill and use duct tape to cover the holes. This will create an environment with high C02, the right conditions for colonization.




No one told me to do that-my idea behind it was shutting off a bit of FAE might help the mycelium colonize a bit more of the top layer than with my other minimono.

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Lots of people doing spawn run in fruiting conditions. It's not a good practice for some species but for cubes it's fine and seems to even speed up pin times.




We talked a bit about this in my other post:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23474929


So conducting the spawn run in fruiting conditions will indeed hurt the colonization?

This didn't seem to be the case in my minitub - it was spawned 1:4 and colonized in about 7 days while being subjected to fruiting conditions.
It was pinning on day 9.

At the beginning of this grow-I had the monotub inside a trashbag. It wasn't sealed airtight, but the draw-string was closed all the way. I believe that was significantly shutting off FAE.

Should I go back to that method. I don't have duct tape laying around at this very second-and if I could get away with the trashbag idea. I would definitely do that. But, if the trashbag solution is a no go and duct tape is the way, the truth and the light...I don't mind going and grabbing a roll.

If you have time, can you discuss with me a bit about the no FAE vs yes FAE during the spawn run?

Thanks PsilocyBen!


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Re: Morty's Monotub - Grow Log [Re: morty422]
    #23532486 - 08/11/16 06:58 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

You aren't going to stop the FAE by plugging a hole with something that is meant to breathe...

You are absolutely right, the reason you saw faster colonization with your minimono was because you let the C02 build up.

If you don't have duct tape laying around then you aren't ready for this hobby yet! or anything really :shrug: :grin:

Just wrap your tub in a garbage bag like you did before, or inside of another tote if you have one laying around.

Update us once you see colonization happening.


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Re: Morty's Monotub - Grow Log [Re: PsilocyBen17]
    #23532513 - 08/11/16 07:07 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Spawn runs are faster in lower CO2. I did a spawn run in 4 days by doing spawn run in fruiting conditions and saw pins 10 days after spawning. Lots of people are doing it now. It also seems to it blobs with PE down.

Drawbacks are less even flushing patterns.


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Re: Morty's Monotub - Grow Log [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23532537 - 08/11/16 07:12 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Really eh? i'll have to give that a try on my next tub...its a good thing someone keeps up on new techniques around here :grin:

OP has his tub in fruiting conditions....what do you think the cause of the slow colonization is?


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Re: Morty's Monotub - Grow Log [Re: PsilocyBen17]
    #23532577 - 08/11/16 07:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Could be a number of things. Contams, too wet, too low of spawn ratio, too thick of a top layer, etc. Beauty of fruit when spawning is it will do what it does no matter the reason.


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Re: Morty's Monotub - Grow Log [Re: PsilocyBen17]
    #23532820 - 08/11/16 08:44 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

To be honest with you, I don't really think the spawning is going slow at all. Everytime I go look at it I see new areas of mycelial growth.
I would estimate at this rate, I will see a completely colonized monotub in the next 4-5 days or so.

I would say full colonization of a monotub in less than or around 10 days is fairly average, yes? Unless you guys are seeing 5 day colonizing- I would say this isn't going too badly! Hehe.

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You aren't going to stop the FAE by plugging a hole with something that is meant to breathe...

You are absolutely right, the reason you saw faster colonization with your minimono was because you let the C02 build up.

If you don't have duct tape laying around then you aren't ready for this hobby yet! or anything really :shrug: :grin:

Just wrap your tub in a garbage bag like you did before, or inside of another tote if you have one laying around.

Update us once you see colonization happening.




I think you have either not looked at my photos or are confused about my post, possibly?

Loosening and tightening polyfil does indeed raise and lower Fae. So a tightly filled hole will decrease FAE and a loosely filled hole will increase, right?

When you say I let cO2 build up in my minitub, you might be mistaken. My mini was set up in fruiting conditions the entire time it was in its spawn run. There was no buildup of co2, as the FAE was too high for there to be any buildup. It colonized fast-but I don't believe it was c02 that did it.

And yes, I need some damn duct tape! Lol
I used up the last of it just a few days ago and have procrastinated on getting more. :grin:

Also, you ask why I don't see any colonization yet... I am seeing growth all over the tub as of now, there was a top layer and it seems to be showing through on many spots.

In my opinion, I'm seeing good growth for day 3 if this stays the way it is, I will be worried. But, I'm seeing new growth constantly so I think it's going well?!

Anywhoozles, get back with me and let me know if what I just mentioned is correct or not. I enjoy the feedback and want to make this grow a great one.


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Re: Morty's Monotub - Grow Log [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23532829 - 08/11/16 08:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Spawn runs are faster in lower CO2. I did a spawn run in 4 days by doing spawn run in fruiting conditions and saw pins 10 days after spawning. Lots of people are doing it now. It also seems to it blobs with PE down.

Drawbacks are less even flushing patterns.




Thanks for the input pasty. I thought I was on the right track.

I feel like I should keep it where it is and let the colonization proceed with tightly packed poly. It seems to be moving along fairly okay and I bet I will either see:
100% colonization and then loosen the polyfil to increase Fae.
Or
Pins and then increase FAE.

Seem like a plan?

Thanks everyone, this place is awesome!


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Re: Morty's Monotub - Grow Log [Re: morty422]
    #23532927 - 08/11/16 09:24 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Personally I would crank the FAE after ya get the pinset in. Too much FAE before pins are in will mean a loss of RH which will cause pinset to suffer. If you keep up with misting then you can increase the FAE more but, it's a fine line to not over mist. I personally would play it safer until you have a few more runs under the belt.


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Re: Morty's Monotub - Grow Log [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23533002 - 08/11/16 09:47 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Personally I would crank the FAE after ya get the pinset in. Too much FAE before pins are in will mean a loss of RH which will cause pinset to suffer. If you keep up with misting then you can increase the FAE more but, it's a fine line to not over mist. I personally would play it safer until you have a few more runs under the belt.




Awesome. Thanks Pasty. I will leave everything as is until I see pins. After that, there shall be FAE.

My minitub is seriously putting out. I used one pint of popcorn to 4 pints coir/verm and I've harvested 12 grams dry thus far. There is no 'flush' as you previously mentioned...simply fruit after fruit growing to maturity randomly. I sort of like this, as every day I'm picking 1-2 grams dry.

There is also no aborts on the minitub. Every pin (few as they are) are growing to maturity, which is something I've never encountered before.

I'm thinking it was the unicorn milk I added to the water before mixing with the coir/verm. Not sure though...


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Re: Morty's Monotub - Grow Log [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23533287 - 08/11/16 11:12 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Drawbacks are less even flushing patterns.




So allowing a tub to colonize 100% before introducing fruiting conditions will produce a more even pinset with a potentially wider canopy;

And

Spawning directly to fruiting conditions results in the fruits reaching maturity at random throughout the life of that tub?


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Re: Morty's Monotub - Grow Log [Re: Maximillion]
    #23533303 - 08/11/16 11:21 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

In the most extreme imagining of the situation, sure, but it's not really all that different.


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Re: Morty's Monotub - Grow Log [Re: Inocuole]
    #23533334 - 08/11/16 11:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Drawbacks are less even flushing patterns.




So allowing a tub to colonize 100% before introducing fruiting conditions will produce a more even pinset with a potentially wider canopy;

And

Spawning directly to fruiting conditions results in the fruits reaching maturity at random throughout the life of that tub?




I have been growing cubensis indoors for only a short duration... however-this does seem to be the case in my smaller minitub I am currently fruiting. Also, when I look at the grow logs of others who have done the fruiting condition spawn run, I also noticed their flushes are uneven and somewhat sporadic.

My theory (and take this with a grain of salt, as I am new to this) is that running the spawning phase without fruiting conditions present causes the mycelium to act as if it has not reached the surface yet. The mycelium expands its network to overtake every little bit of nutrients it can get its hands on. After it colonizes 100%, it begins to wait somewhat dormantly until fruiting conditions exist-in which it pins and fruits. My theory is that people tend to get full 'flushes' because the entirety of the mycelial network is on the same page-ready for conditions to throw pins out and begin fruiting.
On the other side of the coin, (also, this is just my thoughts-I can't back this up with any evidence) a substrate that is in its spawn run that is also subjected to fruiting conditions knows that it is time to fruit, and I believe that certain sections of the network begin to pin-while other sections are still gaining hold of nutrients not yet gathered by the mycelium. In the end-from what I've seen- there is no difference in yield or potency.

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In the most extreme imagining of the situation, sure, but it's not really all that different.




I feel like that is what Inocuole is sort of saying. "Sure, in the most extreme imagining, that is what's going on..." but as I said above-I really don't think any of it matters in the long run.
For some species, this ideal is definitely not okay to cultivate with. However with cubensis, I have been told that is completely fine and it does not matter.

Hell, I might be totally and completely wrong.
I just feel like either way, you will get what you were going to get as long as contaminants don't take hold. That might be another topic of discussion though...

Zing!  Love this hobby. So much to think about and so much to learn. Hopefully my above is right! I love thinking critically about nature and mycology is an awesome field to do just that.


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Re: Morty's Monotub - Grow Log [Re: morty422]
    #23533382 - 08/12/16 12:06 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Awesome observations! :smile: Thank you for your input.
I accidently did a few tubs directly to fruiting conditions.
Only two of them made it, but I have noticed that the fruit is ripening very randomly in comparison to my other trials.
I honestly do have not even had any actual flushes from either tub.
As stated by someone above, maybe a gram or two a day in dry weight gets harvested.


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