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Does tripping too often cause mental damage?
    #23531085 - 08/11/16 10:36 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I know for me personally, I need to take 1-6 month breaks between trips, depending on the intensity, etc.

A buddy of mine has been tripping on strong LSD (1 tab gave me a mind bending 12 hour trip), 1-2 times per week. Sober, he just seems...off. No need for details, but enough people noticed it to assure my friends and I he has been acting strange.

Im not saying he's "crazy" but he sure as hell has been getting consistently more and more "weird", each time I see him.

I'm worried he might be messing up his head by tripping so often. I want to ask him what's up, but unless you're praising him, there's no point. Anything else, he takes as criticism, and gets VERY defensive (it's typically over such small things too). It's the one annoying quality that hasn't changed about him, lol. So there's no way to ask.

Can frequent LSD use potentially ruin someone? Anyone have any similar experiences / situations? I'm just looking out for a friend, but can't bring it up to him and find out first hand.

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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: TheExperience]
    #23531117 - 08/11/16 10:41 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I find once a week too much personally. 2 weeks is the minimum in between trips I've found to work for me, otherwise it gets wasteful and you're over doing it.


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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: YeOlde]
    #23531122 - 08/11/16 10:43 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

lsd in particular has made me feel oddly unstable the day after, like genuinely getting a tinge of crazy.


like you said, take more breaks to avoid this. or maybe switch to shrooms.


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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: YeOlde]
    #23531137 - 08/11/16 10:49 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I have only tripped once




Don't answer questions you don't even understand.

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otherwise it gets wasteful and you're over doing it.




True, but not what we're talking about.



The answer is maybe.
Physical brain damage no. Tripping will not put holes in your brain or any other bullshit like that.
But, when you activate neurons for extended periods of time, the connections between those neurons grow.
This is what causes HPPD, but that still isn't what you are asking about.

Psychosis is possible in people that have a medical predisposition to it. I know people that have never come out of trips. It isn't normal, but it happens, and not just because they 'took too much'...
I have a friend that can't even smoke weed because it triggers his schizophrenia.

There really isn't much of a difference between tripping and being insane... The only difference is one of them ends before you die.


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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #23531656 - 08/11/16 01:44 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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lsd in particular has made me feel oddly unstable the day after, like genuinely getting a tinge of crazy.





Me too. It definitely has a sinister side


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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: MushroomBilly]
    #23531720 - 08/11/16 02:15 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I don't think so, my sister does shrooms 10+ times a month and lsd a bunch too and she still gets good grades


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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: MushroomAreTheKey] * 1
    #23531994 - 08/11/16 04:10 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I went though a period of tripping on LSD way too much. It caused me to have trouble speaking. I'd be with people and I'd clam up. Just couldn't think of things to say. I realized the phoniness of small talk and I didn't want to take part in it. It compounded the shyness that I already had. If I tried to talk to strangers I would stumble over my words. My ego was so diluted that I had no confidence and I spent a lot of time alone because I had no patience for other peoples superficial BS.

After that, my tripping died down and I got a job where I had to deal with people all day. Everything turned around.


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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: MushroomAreTheKey]
    #23532103 - 08/11/16 04:38 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I don't think so, my sister does shrooms 10+ times a month and lsd a bunch too and she still gets good grades





Is she microdosing either of those? And what doses is she taking them at?

10 full doses of mushrooms, plus multiple doses of L in a months span is pretty much unfathomable to me.


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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: MushroomAreTheKey]
    #23532329 - 08/11/16 05:56 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I don't think so, my sister does shrooms 10+ times a month and lsd a bunch too and she still gets good grades




Your personal experience means nothing.

Tripping binges don't matter either.

What is important here is that some people have genetic predispositions to mental illness. The problem is that they don't always know it until they do a bunch of drugs and cause irreparable damage. Not physical damage like blunt force trauma but a change in the brain the connects a bunch of neurons and doesn't disconnect at the end.

For most of us, the connections break, and abstaining allows the connections to regress.
For others, one trip could be their last, because it never ends.

If you experience the effects of psychedelics while sober, this is effectively called schizophrenia.


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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: OngsiaJW7]
    #23532815 - 08/11/16 08:43 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

He sounds like a bit of a tool no offense to him be he honestly sounds like just another guy who's not gonna wake up until he's shook up in some form or another. Especially if he's that defensive and pissy.
Maybe you can steer him into the light by getting him to do mushrooms or some powerful tryptamine in hopes that he finally sees through all his bullshit and changes but it will probably be the former. It's always the former.

As for the main question does tripping too often cause mental damage it COMPLETELY depends on how it's used and the whole context of who's using it and why and what they have going on. Your life works in conjunction with the trip unlike other drugs so how safe it is depends mostly on how safe your mind is at the moment and how "safe" your intentions are and are they real intentions or just the intentions your ego wants?

So to answer your question it depends on the person and how much as well. The set and setting is even more important than the substance itself. LSD is only safe when you use it right and yes there is a way to use it properly despite what some people may say.


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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23532858 - 08/11/16 08:58 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

no it doesnt, it does lead to overdrive in pattern recognition though, and can cause temporary pattern detection problems because your mind is metaphorically speaking trying to find patterns or images in white noise; seeing patterns and connections where none are present.


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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: GreenRabbit]
    #23532866 - 08/11/16 09:03 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I don't think so, my sister does shrooms 10+ times a month and lsd a bunch too and she still gets good grades




Your personal experience means nothing.

Tripping binges don't matter either.

What is important here is that some people have genetic predispositions to mental illness. The problem is that they don't always know it until they do a bunch of drugs and cause irreparable damage. Not physical damage like blunt force trauma but a change in the brain the connects a bunch of neurons and doesn't disconnect at the end.

For most of us, the connections break, and abstaining allows the connections to regress.
For others, one trip could be their last, because it never ends.

If you experience the effects of psychedelics while sober, this is effectively called schizophrenia.



just because the thing you keep talking about exists is no excuse to claim that other peoples theories are incorrect.

You keep saying binge tripping doesn't matter like you know it. Which you don't.

No disrespect intended, but this is your second rant of this nature.


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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: GreenRabbit] * 1
    #23532877 - 08/11/16 09:08 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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If you experience the effects of psychedelics while sober, this is effectively called schizophrenia.




No. No it's not. In fact you just referred to it as hppd earlier in the thread. So lets be more realistic and not spread misinformation.


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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: DurgaDurg]
    #23532896 - 08/11/16 09:14 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

psychosis/schizophrenia = pattern detection problem.:satansmoking:

think conspiracy theorists.

John Nash thought there was a conspiracy about men with red ties i believe.

Or people who think that pedestrians on their street or anyone who walks by them is gang stalking them.


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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: SleepyE]
    #23532923 - 08/11/16 09:22 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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no it doesnt, it does lead to overdrive in pattern recognition though, and can cause temporary pattern detection problems because your mind is metaphorically speaking trying to find patterns or images in white noise; seeing patterns and connections where none are present.




Just because you can't see it physically doesn't mean it's not there, just like the wind :smile:

If you're conspiring over stuff that  has no apparent meaning or can't be proved then thats when you've gone schizo/psychosis it's a fine line because the paranormal world, synchronicity are all very real but the main difference is they can be experienced through feeling and not just thoughts


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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #23532931 - 08/11/16 09:25 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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no it doesnt, it does lead to overdrive in pattern recognition though, and can cause temporary pattern detection problems because your mind is metaphorically speaking trying to find patterns or images in white noise; seeing patterns and connections where none are present.




Just because you can't see it physically doesn't mean it's not there, just like the wind :smile:



:yesnod:




thats why when you look at white noise on psychedelics it looks like this



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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: SleepyE]
    #23532956 - 08/11/16 09:34 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

We don't need people self diagnosing with schiz or psychosis because they are noticing synchronicty or telepathy, these can actually be felt, experienced and proven but fine line and same category as a schizo person who believes the air is going to turn into fire, the only difference is one person has logic and facts the other has no basis but their imagination :lol:


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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #23532973 - 08/11/16 09:38 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

There is no doubt the psychedelic experience and the schizophrenic experience can be chaotic. But as carl jung said. In all chaos there is a cosmos, in all disorder there is a secret order.

i believe schizophrenia and psychedelics is just mind entropy.

look at the language, as a mind expands it moves into a less ordered more chaotic altered state, a disordered state.

Of course its more complex than that, but i think its a decent model to start from ahah.

i think all the negative symptoms of schizophrenia stem from fear, if you were to eliminate fear in a schizophrenic by teaching them some zen buddhist meditation would they give into paranoia? or only experience pronoia?


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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: SleepyE]
    #23532992 - 08/11/16 09:44 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Basically, what everyone here has said.

Tripping too often wont make you insane unless youve already got a few screws loose. But we all know that guy whos gone on just a few too many trips and seems "off". These fellows tend to be kind of poor speakers, a little incoherent at times, a little slow, and have very eccentric mannerisms.

These effects have been documented in labratory settings. Forcing your brain into certain states sort of carves out new neural pathways, meaning if you trip enough youll still become sober, but eventually your tripping mannerisms and random thought patterns eventually stick with you.

This is of course isnt true 100% of the time and completely dependant on brain chemistry. This effect seems much stronger in some individuals, and doesnt happen at all to others


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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: Acideater69]
    #23533005 - 08/11/16 09:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

madness isnt always associated with trainwrecked failed lives.

it is also associated with genius/creativity, and there is scientific reasoning for this.


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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: SleepyE] * 1
    #23533008 - 08/11/16 09:49 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

And the journey begins

Crazy is only shunned if its in a negative aspect, being crazy is a good thing, it's having an open mind, open to all possibilities, as the universe is :wink: not limited to a few perspectives, but all perspectives, you see the world for how it truly is, once you realize the inner workings you can start working with it rather than against it, new worlds open up, law of attraction is just the beginning!


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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #23533045 - 08/11/16 10:00 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

the paranoid mind is just an open mind conditioned to fear, we are all conditioned to fear in some aspect I believe, the fight is overcoming your fears, when that's gone what's left? Love and Light


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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #23533046 - 08/11/16 10:00 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Crazy usually falls under a spectrum that different from person to person based on multiple variables included environment and i assume genetics as well. But on that spectrum it can range anywhere from mostly positive effects on life, too mostly negative effects on life.


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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #23533048 - 08/11/16 10:01 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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And the journey begins

Crazy is only shunned if its in a negative aspect, being crazy is a good thing, it's having an open mind, open to all possibilities, as the universe is :wink: not limited to a few perspectives, but all perspectives, you see the world for how it truly is, once you realize the inner workings you can start working with it rather than against it, new worlds open up, law of attraction is just the beginning!




Um yah, i beg to differ. Im sure if you asked anyone suffering from schizophrinia, alzhemiers, psychosis, or dementia, none of them would call it a "good thing".

Sure you get new perspectives, but does that really outweigh the crippiling damage damage it does to nearly every single aspect of your life?


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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: SleepyE]
    #23533054 - 08/11/16 10:02 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I think we all just replicate the universe, a crazy chaotic mess. :smile:


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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #23533056 - 08/11/16 10:02 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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the paranoid mind is just an open mind conditioned to fear, we are all conditioned to fear in some aspect I believe, the fight is overcoming your fears, when that's gone what's left? Love and Light



i dont believe paranoia can exist without fear.

loss of fear i believe would neutralize almost all negative aspects of schizophrenia. but thats just my opinion.


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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: SleepyE]
    #23533063 - 08/11/16 10:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

a lot of the crippling damage is done by our society not understanding the condition well enough to be fair.


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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #23533064 - 08/11/16 10:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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the paranoid mind is just an open mind conditioned to fear, we are all conditioned to fear in some aspect I believe, the fight is overcoming your fears, when that's gone what's left? Love and Light




Umm even if you get over you fear doesnt mean theres literally no other obstacles. I can get over my fear of a tiger but its still gonna rip me to shreds and the pain will be very real.

Fear is a survival mechanism, and a neccessary one. Paranoia is just uneccessary fear


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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: Acideater69]
    #23533066 - 08/11/16 10:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Everyone has their own view on what "crazy" is, to me it's just having an open minded view on reality, you're open to all possibilities, to others it could mean some form of illness or disease. It only does damage if you view it as such, having a logical open mind and being crazy is different than someone with a real disease suffering.


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    #23533073 - 08/11/16 10:06 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Fear is a survival mechanism, and a neccessary one. Paranoia is just uneccessary fear



thats what i mean, training your mind not to give into unnecessary fear, it is possible you know? just noone tries it.


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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #23533075 - 08/11/16 10:07 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Everyone has their own view on what "crazy" is, to me it's just having an open minded view on reality, you're open to all possibilities, to others it could mean some form of illness or disease. It only does damage if you view it as such, having a logical open mind and being crazy is different than someone with a real disease suffering.




You think being open minded is "crazy"? Well thats certainly odd. When people talk about "crazy", theyre generally reffering to people with mental disorders, not to "open minded people"


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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: Acideater69]
    #23533081 - 08/11/16 10:09 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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the paranoid mind is just an open mind conditioned to fear, we are all conditioned to fear in some aspect I believe, the fight is overcoming your fears, when that's gone what's left? Love and Light




I can get over my fear of a tiger but its still gonna rip me to shreds and the pain will be very real.





Only if you believe so, that's still a fear of it

and yes being open minded in society is shunned and coined "crazy" or schizophrenic by most, I don't personally think so is really all I was saying. Like my open minded beliefs on sychronicity and telepathy, one could argue i'm in a psychosis or schizophrenic.


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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: Acideater69]
    #23533086 - 08/11/16 10:10 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

well an example that would be a grey area would be messiah delusions,

its one of the most common symptom of schizophrenics and psychosis and everyone is treated based on this symptom yet this delusion tends to fade on its own in a lot of people.

our society doesnt tolerate delusions like that, and is debatable whether it is a bad thing or not,


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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #23533105 - 08/11/16 10:14 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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the paranoid mind is just an open mind conditioned to fear, we are all conditioned to fear in some aspect I believe, the fight is overcoming your fears, when that's gone what's left? Love and Light




I can get over my fear of a tiger but its still gonna rip me to shreds and the pain will be very real.





Only if you believe so, that's still a fear of it






Um no.... we have pain recpetors, no matter how much you deny your in pain, youll be in pain


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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: OngsiaJW7]
    #23533108 - 08/11/16 10:16 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I think if you trip as often as your friend has been, you might have some issues, but if you stop dosing for a bit, you will go back to normal. 

When I used to trip a lot in the past, I was much more mellow, it's when I am sober that I have issues because of how my brain is wired.  Once a month would be a good amount to trip and not have any issues with weirdness.

I know for myself, tripping about once a month in the past really kept me grounded, and kept depression away, also really helps with anxiety, and there is plenty of good reading on how mushrooms can take stress/anxiety away when used in reasonable doses, and not abused by always trying to have level 4/5 trips once a week.


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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: Lucis]
    #23533117 - 08/11/16 10:18 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Ahah i loved those days where i was having level 5s every week, thems were the days :yesnod:


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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: Acideater69]
    #23533131 - 08/11/16 10:22 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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well an example that would be a grey area would be messiah delusions,

its one of the most common symptom of schizophrenics and psychosis and everyone is treated based on this symptom yet this delusion tends to fade on its own in a lot of people.

our society doesnt tolerate delusions like that, and is debatable whether it is a bad thing or not,



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the paranoid mind is just an open mind conditioned to fear, we are all conditioned to fear in some aspect I believe, the fight is overcoming your fears, when that's gone what's left? Love and Light




I can get over my fear of a tiger but its still gonna rip me to shreds and the pain will be very real.





Only if you believe so, that's still a fear of it






Um no.... we have pain recpetors, no matter how much you deny your in pain, youll be in pain




Not if the tiger doesn't attack, you missed the point lol. It doesn't HAVE to rip you to shreds. The thought of that is fear based, but yes if it did actually attack you would feel pain :lol:


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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #23533136 - 08/11/16 10:23 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

What's wrong with being "weird" anyway? And opening up to what you truly believe inside could easily be classified as someone "changing" or becoming "weird" there's a lot of people that coin my beliefs as schizophrenic, when really it's just being open to all possibilities, especially when I feel and experience it first hand, i'm gonna tend to believe it, under the influence or not, if it happened, it happened in your reality.


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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: SleepyE]
    #23533144 - 08/11/16 10:25 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

schizophrenics have an inability to give up control.

one person on youtube who was posting videos about people on her street gang stalking her and any move they made she was saying "oh there, that person was signalling the other person to approach now, did you see it." and of course its nothing, its just them seeing patterns that arent there.

but they dont want to give up control over the situation. they claim its harassment and that somehow these hundreds of people have dedicated their lives everyday to find out when you come outside of your house so they can stand there and pretend they arent stalking you.

when you ask them, why cant you just ignore them. they say "its impossible to ignore them, if someone was doing it to you it would be psychological torture.

it seems to be very tough to reason with them that they should just let go and allow these people to do it and just not give them the energy.
They will not let go of the fear.

So schizophrenia seems to come down to how stubborn you are and your willingness to let go.


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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #23533150 - 08/11/16 10:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Not if the tiger doesn't attack, you missed the point lol. It doesn't HAVE to rip you to shreds. The thought of that is fear based, but yes if it did actually attack you would feel pain :lol:




Thats my point.

You said earlier "if we let go of our fears, all thats left is love and light"

Except there will still be hungry tigers, there will still lots of bad things such as murder, rape, floods, earthquakes, hunger, illness, all that shit.


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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: SleepyE]
    #23533160 - 08/11/16 10:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Directly relating to our society, shunned of psychedelics, if psychs were legal in medicine and used properly people would understand the act of letting go and knowing thy self.


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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: Acideater69]
    #23533169 - 08/11/16 10:30 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

but if you let go of the idea that a tiger is going to come inside your house while you are in a suburban neighborhood then the problem will be neutralized.

this scenario is more similar to what we are referring to what is wrong with schizophrenics. it seems you have missed that point.


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    #23533171 - 08/11/16 10:30 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Not if the tiger doesn't attack, you missed the point lol. It doesn't HAVE to rip you to shreds. The thought of that is fear based, but yes if it did actually attack you would feel pain :lol:




Thats my point.

You said earlier "if we let go of our fears, all thats left is love and light"

Except there will still be hungry tigers, there will still lots of bad things such as murder, rape, floods, earthquakes, hunger, illness, all that shit.




Yes? Are those fears of yours or something?

If you are truly living in the moment, there are no pre-convieved notions or fears of the past or future, that only induces anxst


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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #23533195 - 08/11/16 10:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

schizos have an inability to balance the likelihood of the situation they believe they are dealing with.


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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: SleepyE]
    #23533207 - 08/11/16 10:44 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

My point is, letting go of fear doesnt leave "happiness and light", and there are times when fear is rational and will save you. Why do you think theres only absence of fear and mindless paranoia? Theres times when its appropiate to be scared


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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: Acideater69]
    #23533227 - 08/11/16 10:51 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Indeed, fear is a survival trait, but as we evolve out of needing these instinct traits anymore being fearful can be a detriment to our life, especially when it becomes social. We are conditioned to fear, by nature having some willpower and discipline goes a long way


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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #23533254 - 08/11/16 10:59 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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there's a lot of people that coin my beliefs as schizophrenic




I am curious why you say that, if you don't mind I would like to know.  I find the human mind fascinating, that is what made me start taking psychedelics 18 years ago, a desire to learn about the mysteries of the mind.

I have seen lots of people that consume psychedelics say they think they're schizo, or something similar, when in reality they're not.


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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: Lucis]
    #23533326 - 08/11/16 11:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I have found when people, myself included...go on psych binges they can get snappy and short tempered or lacking patience.

Using lsd in binge amounts more than every two weeks between doses may deplete seratonin.

And finally why take lsd more than once a week?

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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: Lucis]
    #23533348 - 08/11/16 11:45 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Just people who are narrow minded to the beliefs of synchronicity and telepathy etc will accuse me of being delusional or schizoid of some sorts :confused: beats me :lol:


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    #23533376 - 08/12/16 12:03 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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there's a lot of people that coin my beliefs as schizophrenic




I am curious why you say that, if you don't mind I would like to know.  I find the human mind fascinating, that is what made me start taking psychedelics 18 years ago, a desire to learn about the mysteries of the mind.

I have seen lots of people that consume psychedelics say they think they're schizo, or something similar, when in reality they're not.




I think a lot of these beliefs stem from LSD and Mescaline being used to generate "model psychosis" in the early 50's and 60's. It wasn't until later that the idea that these drugs could help the healthy was explored.

It is interesting to note that there are many different labels for people with mental disorders, but there is only one "sane" condition, which is to be free of any mental disorders. The idea of different types of "minds" isn't even considered.

Schizoid personality traits tend to be paranoid in nature. And I kinda think they serve an evolutionary role.


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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: Bozko]
    #23533423 - 08/12/16 12:33 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Schizoid personality traits tend to be paranoid in nature. And I kinda think they serve an evolutionary role.



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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: DurgaDurg]
    #23533493 - 08/12/16 01:30 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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just because the thing you keep talking about exists is no excuse to claim that other peoples theories are incorrect.





First of all, there was no theory for me to refute.
I never said that anyone was wrong, just that it proves nothing to give examples of when psychedelics don't cause harm.

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If you experience the effects of psychedelics while sober, this is effectively called schizophrenia.




No. No it's not. In fact you just referred to it as hppd earlier in the thread. So lets be more realistic and not spread misinformation.




Ok, fine I was too vague. But there is a difference between HPPD and psychosis.
HPPD is normal for people that do psychedelics often, and it tends to fade over time.
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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: MushroomAreTheKey]
    #23533502 - 08/12/16 01:44 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I don't think so, my sister does shrooms 10+ times a month and lsd a bunch too and she still gets good grades




Lets see. At the minimum, 10 times a month is every 3 days. Based on the science we have, it takes 3-4 days for psychedelic tolerance to get cut in half. So in order to do it that frequently, the dose has to be doubled to possibly get the same effect every time. 1st time an 8th, second time a quarter, by the 5th trip half way through the month needing almost 2 ounces and the final, 10th trip, of the month needing a massive 63oz's (4lbs) to combat the tolerance build up and still trip. Throw random LSD trips in there that also have a cross tolerance and you make that story seem even more unbelievable. If anything it sounds like a lot of good drugs are just being wasted to tolerance and most of your sisters "trips" are placebo.


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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: GPryder]
    #23533550 - 08/12/16 02:46 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

For me tripping too often is just wasteful in the sense that it feels lacklustre. It misses a lot of the magic I get if I say wait 15+ days.

My last shroom trip was 2 months and 5 days ago and have only just recently had the calling for them again. Shrooms are like a natural anti-depressant for me and are intense and so I have little desire to dose on them often.


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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: Bozko]
    #23533942 - 08/12/16 08:35 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I have found when people, myself included...go on psych binges they can get snappy and short tempered or lacking patience.






This is why as I have gotten older, I enjoy just the substances which can be picked directly from the ground and consumed, they seem much more forgiving in the long run. 



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Just people who are narrow minded to the beliefs of synchronicity and telepathy etc will accuse me of being delusional or schizoid of some sorts :confused: beats me :lol:




I wouldn't go out of your way to try to convince anyone of what your beliefs are, it's like religions people trying to convince those that don't follow their faith that they're missing out, just doesn't work that way.

If you know what you know, and you're not harming yourself or anyone, don't worry about it.  I think it was Carl Jung that said synchronicity is life's way of pointing out that we're doing the right thing, or something similar to that, so when something keeps happening, or keeps signalling to you, take a mental note and see how it applies to your life.

People that don't understand the way psychedelics affect the mind, often times label those that go through changes from them, as schizo, or some other form of debilitating mental health problem.  It's easier for them to label you, write you off, then to try to understand you, don't worry about it.


Now if you start mapping your life's course by the migration patterns of birds because they sent you a signal which you interpreted via spiritual waves, you might have something to worry about.:grin:


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Schizoid personality traits tend to be paranoid in nature. And I kinda think they serve an evolutionary role.





I think a little paranoia is healthy, I know of several times where a little paranoia has benefited me.  But if you have ever read about genuine schizos, they're interesting people, but can also be a bit scary, and I doubt the people here that are saying they're schizo, actually are that.  I only say that not trying to disprove anyone, just saying that people shouldn't be hard on themselves.


If you feel your reality is getting a bit worn around the edges, just put the substances down for a bit, you'll be fine in no time, and if you choose to pick them back up again, perhaps don't do them as frequently, or in such large doses.  Psychedelics will always be there, but you and I are going to die one day, so don't overdo it is what I am getting at. :cool:


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just because the thing you keep talking about exists is no excuse to claim that other peoples theories are incorrect.





First of all, there was no theory for me to refute.
I never said that anyone was wrong, just that it proves nothing to give examples of when psychedelics don't cause harm.




you said plain as day that tripping binges don't matter. :shrug: no need to fib, we all say shit we don't know from time to time.


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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #23534372 - 08/12/16 11:05 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I said that because tripping binges aren't as likely to cause permanent damage as a predisposition to mental illness.
You're right though, I don't know that they can't cause damage, and in fact, have seen at least one example of someone checking into an institution after too much acid.
That's a special case though...
When someone says 'tripping often' I assume they aren't talking about one trip being extended for 8 months...


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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: Lucis]
    #23534376 - 08/12/16 11:06 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Haha, well said. But that bird symbolism man!(joking) I've actually had a few occurrences of what I thought was bird symbolism but the world will never know I don't focus my life on the random occurrences that may happen to have some correlation, birds are definitely lower on the list but I definitely a unique and interesting hidden world out there to explore :smile:


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