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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #23533150 - 08/11/16 10:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Not if the tiger doesn't attack, you missed the point lol. It doesn't HAVE to rip you to shreds. The thought of that is fear based, but yes if it did actually attack you would feel pain :lol:




Thats my point.

You said earlier "if we let go of our fears, all thats left is love and light"

Except there will still be hungry tigers, there will still lots of bad things such as murder, rape, floods, earthquakes, hunger, illness, all that shit.


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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: SleepyE]
    #23533160 - 08/11/16 10:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Directly relating to our society, shunned of psychedelics, if psychs were legal in medicine and used properly people would understand the act of letting go and knowing thy self.


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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: Acideater69]
    #23533169 - 08/11/16 10:30 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

but if you let go of the idea that a tiger is going to come inside your house while you are in a suburban neighborhood then the problem will be neutralized.

this scenario is more similar to what we are referring to what is wrong with schizophrenics. it seems you have missed that point.


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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: Acideater69] * 1
    #23533171 - 08/11/16 10:30 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Not if the tiger doesn't attack, you missed the point lol. It doesn't HAVE to rip you to shreds. The thought of that is fear based, but yes if it did actually attack you would feel pain :lol:




Thats my point.

You said earlier "if we let go of our fears, all thats left is love and light"

Except there will still be hungry tigers, there will still lots of bad things such as murder, rape, floods, earthquakes, hunger, illness, all that shit.




Yes? Are those fears of yours or something?

If you are truly living in the moment, there are no pre-convieved notions or fears of the past or future, that only induces anxst


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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #23533195 - 08/11/16 10:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

schizos have an inability to balance the likelihood of the situation they believe they are dealing with.


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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: SleepyE]
    #23533207 - 08/11/16 10:44 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

My point is, letting go of fear doesnt leave "happiness and light", and there are times when fear is rational and will save you. Why do you think theres only absence of fear and mindless paranoia? Theres times when its appropiate to be scared


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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: Acideater69]
    #23533227 - 08/11/16 10:51 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Indeed, fear is a survival trait, but as we evolve out of needing these instinct traits anymore being fearful can be a detriment to our life, especially when it becomes social. We are conditioned to fear, by nature having some willpower and discipline goes a long way


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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #23533254 - 08/11/16 10:59 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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there's a lot of people that coin my beliefs as schizophrenic




I am curious why you say that, if you don't mind I would like to know.  I find the human mind fascinating, that is what made me start taking psychedelics 18 years ago, a desire to learn about the mysteries of the mind.

I have seen lots of people that consume psychedelics say they think they're schizo, or something similar, when in reality they're not.


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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: Lucis]
    #23533326 - 08/11/16 11:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I have found when people, myself included...go on psych binges they can get snappy and short tempered or lacking patience.

Using lsd in binge amounts more than every two weeks between doses may deplete seratonin.

And finally why take lsd more than once a week?

Your tolerance will stop you from having much of a trip.


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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: Lucis]
    #23533348 - 08/11/16 11:45 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Just people who are narrow minded to the beliefs of synchronicity and telepathy etc will accuse me of being delusional or schizoid of some sorts :confused: beats me :lol:


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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: Lucis]
    #23533376 - 08/12/16 12:03 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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there's a lot of people that coin my beliefs as schizophrenic




I am curious why you say that, if you don't mind I would like to know.  I find the human mind fascinating, that is what made me start taking psychedelics 18 years ago, a desire to learn about the mysteries of the mind.

I have seen lots of people that consume psychedelics say they think they're schizo, or something similar, when in reality they're not.




I think a lot of these beliefs stem from LSD and Mescaline being used to generate "model psychosis" in the early 50's and 60's. It wasn't until later that the idea that these drugs could help the healthy was explored.

It is interesting to note that there are many different labels for people with mental disorders, but there is only one "sane" condition, which is to be free of any mental disorders. The idea of different types of "minds" isn't even considered.

Schizoid personality traits tend to be paranoid in nature. And I kinda think they serve an evolutionary role.


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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: Bozko]
    #23533423 - 08/12/16 12:33 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Schizoid personality traits tend to be paranoid in nature. And I kinda think they serve an evolutionary role.



they most certainly do :smile:


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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: DurgaDurg]
    #23533493 - 08/12/16 01:30 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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just because the thing you keep talking about exists is no excuse to claim that other peoples theories are incorrect.





First of all, there was no theory for me to refute.
I never said that anyone was wrong, just that it proves nothing to give examples of when psychedelics don't cause harm.

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If you experience the effects of psychedelics while sober, this is effectively called schizophrenia.




No. No it's not. In fact you just referred to it as hppd earlier in the thread. So lets be more realistic and not spread misinformation.




Ok, fine I was too vague. But there is a difference between HPPD and psychosis.
HPPD is normal for people that do psychedelics often, and it tends to fade over time.
Most people do not experience psychosis after psychedelics.


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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: MushroomAreTheKey]
    #23533502 - 08/12/16 01:44 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I don't think so, my sister does shrooms 10+ times a month and lsd a bunch too and she still gets good grades




Lets see. At the minimum, 10 times a month is every 3 days. Based on the science we have, it takes 3-4 days for psychedelic tolerance to get cut in half. So in order to do it that frequently, the dose has to be doubled to possibly get the same effect every time. 1st time an 8th, second time a quarter, by the 5th trip half way through the month needing almost 2 ounces and the final, 10th trip, of the month needing a massive 63oz's (4lbs) to combat the tolerance build up and still trip. Throw random LSD trips in there that also have a cross tolerance and you make that story seem even more unbelievable. If anything it sounds like a lot of good drugs are just being wasted to tolerance and most of your sisters "trips" are placebo.


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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: GPryder]
    #23533550 - 08/12/16 02:46 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

For me tripping too often is just wasteful in the sense that it feels lacklustre. It misses a lot of the magic I get if I say wait 15+ days.

My last shroom trip was 2 months and 5 days ago and have only just recently had the calling for them again. Shrooms are like a natural anti-depressant for me and are intense and so I have little desire to dose on them often.


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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: Bozko]
    #23533942 - 08/12/16 08:35 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I have found when people, myself included...go on psych binges they can get snappy and short tempered or lacking patience.






This is why as I have gotten older, I enjoy just the substances which can be picked directly from the ground and consumed, they seem much more forgiving in the long run. 



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Just people who are narrow minded to the beliefs of synchronicity and telepathy etc will accuse me of being delusional or schizoid of some sorts :confused: beats me :lol:




I wouldn't go out of your way to try to convince anyone of what your beliefs are, it's like religions people trying to convince those that don't follow their faith that they're missing out, just doesn't work that way.

If you know what you know, and you're not harming yourself or anyone, don't worry about it.  I think it was Carl Jung that said synchronicity is life's way of pointing out that we're doing the right thing, or something similar to that, so when something keeps happening, or keeps signalling to you, take a mental note and see how it applies to your life.

People that don't understand the way psychedelics affect the mind, often times label those that go through changes from them, as schizo, or some other form of debilitating mental health problem.  It's easier for them to label you, write you off, then to try to understand you, don't worry about it.


Now if you start mapping your life's course by the migration patterns of birds because they sent you a signal which you interpreted via spiritual waves, you might have something to worry about.:grin:


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Schizoid personality traits tend to be paranoid in nature. And I kinda think they serve an evolutionary role.





I think a little paranoia is healthy, I know of several times where a little paranoia has benefited me.  But if you have ever read about genuine schizos, they're interesting people, but can also be a bit scary, and I doubt the people here that are saying they're schizo, actually are that.  I only say that not trying to disprove anyone, just saying that people shouldn't be hard on themselves.


If you feel your reality is getting a bit worn around the edges, just put the substances down for a bit, you'll be fine in no time, and if you choose to pick them back up again, perhaps don't do them as frequently, or in such large doses.  Psychedelics will always be there, but you and I are going to die one day, so don't overdo it is what I am getting at. :cool:


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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: GreenRabbit]
    #23534171 - 08/12/16 10:03 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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just because the thing you keep talking about exists is no excuse to claim that other peoples theories are incorrect.





First of all, there was no theory for me to refute.
I never said that anyone was wrong, just that it proves nothing to give examples of when psychedelics don't cause harm.




you said plain as day that tripping binges don't matter. :shrug: no need to fib, we all say shit we don't know from time to time.


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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #23534372 - 08/12/16 11:05 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I said that because tripping binges aren't as likely to cause permanent damage as a predisposition to mental illness.
You're right though, I don't know that they can't cause damage, and in fact, have seen at least one example of someone checking into an institution after too much acid.
That's a special case though...
When someone says 'tripping often' I assume they aren't talking about one trip being extended for 8 months...


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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: Lucis]
    #23534376 - 08/12/16 11:06 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Haha, well said. But that bird symbolism man!(joking) I've actually had a few occurrences of what I thought was bird symbolism but the world will never know I don't focus my life on the random occurrences that may happen to have some correlation, birds are definitely lower on the list but I definitely a unique and interesting hidden world out there to explore :smile:


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