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Does tripping too often cause mental damage?
    #23531085 - 08/11/16 10:36 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I know for me personally, I need to take 1-6 month breaks between trips, depending on the intensity, etc.

A buddy of mine has been tripping on strong LSD (1 tab gave me a mind bending 12 hour trip), 1-2 times per week. Sober, he just seems...off. No need for details, but enough people noticed it to assure my friends and I he has been acting strange.

Im not saying he's "crazy" but he sure as hell has been getting consistently more and more "weird", each time I see him.

I'm worried he might be messing up his head by tripping so often. I want to ask him what's up, but unless you're praising him, there's no point. Anything else, he takes as criticism, and gets VERY defensive (it's typically over such small things too). It's the one annoying quality that hasn't changed about him, lol. So there's no way to ask.

Can frequent LSD use potentially ruin someone? Anyone have any similar experiences / situations? I'm just looking out for a friend, but can't bring it up to him and find out first hand.

Thoughts?


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    #23531102 - 08/11/16 10:39 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: TheExperience]
    #23531117 - 08/11/16 10:41 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I find once a week too much personally. 2 weeks is the minimum in between trips I've found to work for me, otherwise it gets wasteful and you're over doing it.


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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: YeOlde]
    #23531122 - 08/11/16 10:43 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

lsd in particular has made me feel oddly unstable the day after, like genuinely getting a tinge of crazy.


like you said, take more breaks to avoid this. or maybe switch to shrooms.


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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: YeOlde]
    #23531137 - 08/11/16 10:49 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I have only tripped once




Don't answer questions you don't even understand.

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YeOlde said:
otherwise it gets wasteful and you're over doing it.




True, but not what we're talking about.



The answer is maybe.
Physical brain damage no. Tripping will not put holes in your brain or any other bullshit like that.
But, when you activate neurons for extended periods of time, the connections between those neurons grow.
This is what causes HPPD, but that still isn't what you are asking about.

Psychosis is possible in people that have a medical predisposition to it. I know people that have never come out of trips. It isn't normal, but it happens, and not just because they 'took too much'...
I have a friend that can't even smoke weed because it triggers his schizophrenia.

There really isn't much of a difference between tripping and being insane... The only difference is one of them ends before you die.


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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #23531656 - 08/11/16 01:44 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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lsd in particular has made me feel oddly unstable the day after, like genuinely getting a tinge of crazy.





Me too. It definitely has a sinister side


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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: MushroomBilly]
    #23531720 - 08/11/16 02:15 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I don't think so, my sister does shrooms 10+ times a month and lsd a bunch too and she still gets good grades


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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: MushroomAreTheKey] * 1
    #23531994 - 08/11/16 04:10 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I went though a period of tripping on LSD way too much. It caused me to have trouble speaking. I'd be with people and I'd clam up. Just couldn't think of things to say. I realized the phoniness of small talk and I didn't want to take part in it. It compounded the shyness that I already had. If I tried to talk to strangers I would stumble over my words. My ego was so diluted that I had no confidence and I spent a lot of time alone because I had no patience for other peoples superficial BS.

After that, my tripping died down and I got a job where I had to deal with people all day. Everything turned around.


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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: MushroomAreTheKey]
    #23532103 - 08/11/16 04:38 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I don't think so, my sister does shrooms 10+ times a month and lsd a bunch too and she still gets good grades





Is she microdosing either of those? And what doses is she taking them at?

10 full doses of mushrooms, plus multiple doses of L in a months span is pretty much unfathomable to me.


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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: MushroomAreTheKey]
    #23532329 - 08/11/16 05:56 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I don't think so, my sister does shrooms 10+ times a month and lsd a bunch too and she still gets good grades




Your personal experience means nothing.

Tripping binges don't matter either.

What is important here is that some people have genetic predispositions to mental illness. The problem is that they don't always know it until they do a bunch of drugs and cause irreparable damage. Not physical damage like blunt force trauma but a change in the brain the connects a bunch of neurons and doesn't disconnect at the end.

For most of us, the connections break, and abstaining allows the connections to regress.
For others, one trip could be their last, because it never ends.

If you experience the effects of psychedelics while sober, this is effectively called schizophrenia.


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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: OngsiaJW7]
    #23532815 - 08/11/16 08:43 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

He sounds like a bit of a tool no offense to him be he honestly sounds like just another guy who's not gonna wake up until he's shook up in some form or another. Especially if he's that defensive and pissy.
Maybe you can steer him into the light by getting him to do mushrooms or some powerful tryptamine in hopes that he finally sees through all his bullshit and changes but it will probably be the former. It's always the former.

As for the main question does tripping too often cause mental damage it COMPLETELY depends on how it's used and the whole context of who's using it and why and what they have going on. Your life works in conjunction with the trip unlike other drugs so how safe it is depends mostly on how safe your mind is at the moment and how "safe" your intentions are and are they real intentions or just the intentions your ego wants?

So to answer your question it depends on the person and how much as well. The set and setting is even more important than the substance itself. LSD is only safe when you use it right and yes there is a way to use it properly despite what some people may say.


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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23532858 - 08/11/16 08:58 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

no it doesnt, it does lead to overdrive in pattern recognition though, and can cause temporary pattern detection problems because your mind is metaphorically speaking trying to find patterns or images in white noise; seeing patterns and connections where none are present.


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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: GreenRabbit]
    #23532866 - 08/11/16 09:03 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I don't think so, my sister does shrooms 10+ times a month and lsd a bunch too and she still gets good grades




Your personal experience means nothing.

Tripping binges don't matter either.

What is important here is that some people have genetic predispositions to mental illness. The problem is that they don't always know it until they do a bunch of drugs and cause irreparable damage. Not physical damage like blunt force trauma but a change in the brain the connects a bunch of neurons and doesn't disconnect at the end.

For most of us, the connections break, and abstaining allows the connections to regress.
For others, one trip could be their last, because it never ends.

If you experience the effects of psychedelics while sober, this is effectively called schizophrenia.



just because the thing you keep talking about exists is no excuse to claim that other peoples theories are incorrect.

You keep saying binge tripping doesn't matter like you know it. Which you don't.

No disrespect intended, but this is your second rant of this nature.


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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: GreenRabbit] * 1
    #23532877 - 08/11/16 09:08 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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If you experience the effects of psychedelics while sober, this is effectively called schizophrenia.




No. No it's not. In fact you just referred to it as hppd earlier in the thread. So lets be more realistic and not spread misinformation.


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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: DurgaDurg]
    #23532896 - 08/11/16 09:14 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

psychosis/schizophrenia = pattern detection problem.:satansmoking:

think conspiracy theorists.

John Nash thought there was a conspiracy about men with red ties i believe.

Or people who think that pedestrians on their street or anyone who walks by them is gang stalking them.


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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: SleepyE]
    #23532923 - 08/11/16 09:22 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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no it doesnt, it does lead to overdrive in pattern recognition though, and can cause temporary pattern detection problems because your mind is metaphorically speaking trying to find patterns or images in white noise; seeing patterns and connections where none are present.




Just because you can't see it physically doesn't mean it's not there, just like the wind :smile:

If you're conspiring over stuff that  has no apparent meaning or can't be proved then thats when you've gone schizo/psychosis it's a fine line because the paranormal world, synchronicity are all very real but the main difference is they can be experienced through feeling and not just thoughts


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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #23532931 - 08/11/16 09:25 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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no it doesnt, it does lead to overdrive in pattern recognition though, and can cause temporary pattern detection problems because your mind is metaphorically speaking trying to find patterns or images in white noise; seeing patterns and connections where none are present.




Just because you can't see it physically doesn't mean it's not there, just like the wind :smile:



:yesnod:




thats why when you look at white noise on psychedelics it looks like this



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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: SleepyE]
    #23532956 - 08/11/16 09:34 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

We don't need people self diagnosing with schiz or psychosis because they are noticing synchronicty or telepathy, these can actually be felt, experienced and proven but fine line and same category as a schizo person who believes the air is going to turn into fire, the only difference is one person has logic and facts the other has no basis but their imagination :lol:


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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #23532973 - 08/11/16 09:38 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

There is no doubt the psychedelic experience and the schizophrenic experience can be chaotic. But as carl jung said. In all chaos there is a cosmos, in all disorder there is a secret order.

i believe schizophrenia and psychedelics is just mind entropy.

look at the language, as a mind expands it moves into a less ordered more chaotic altered state, a disordered state.

Of course its more complex than that, but i think its a decent model to start from ahah.

i think all the negative symptoms of schizophrenia stem from fear, if you were to eliminate fear in a schizophrenic by teaching them some zen buddhist meditation would they give into paranoia? or only experience pronoia?


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Re: Does tripping too often cause mental damage? [Re: SleepyE]
    #23532992 - 08/11/16 09:44 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Basically, what everyone here has said.

Tripping too often wont make you insane unless youve already got a few screws loose. But we all know that guy whos gone on just a few too many trips and seems "off". These fellows tend to be kind of poor speakers, a little incoherent at times, a little slow, and have very eccentric mannerisms.

These effects have been documented in labratory settings. Forcing your brain into certain states sort of carves out new neural pathways, meaning if you trip enough youll still become sober, but eventually your tripping mannerisms and random thought patterns eventually stick with you.

This is of course isnt true 100% of the time and completely dependant on brain chemistry. This effect seems much stronger in some individuals, and doesnt happen at all to others


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