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Re: are these real [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23529943 - 08/10/16 11:53 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

So, you don't think it has mycogone? Didn't get your response. it looks similar but not the same to me :/  I don't want mold hanging around that's for sureZ


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Re: Very thick overlay on pan cyan trays. Should I let it continue or re-case? [Re: Lt.Berkenstine]
    #23529946 - 08/10/16 11:54 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

No mycogone... I've had plenty of mycogone, it doesn't look like that.  Mind your thread subject.  It keeps trying to be, you know, something out of an underage kid's imagination.


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Re: Very thick overlay on pan cyan trays. Should I let it continue or re-case? [Re: Inocuole]
    #23529961 - 08/11/16 12:05 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Can you rephrase that cause I'm not sure what I did wrong

I'll stay on topic and act my age I suppose


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Re: Very thick overlay on pan cyan trays. Should I let it continue or re-case? [Re: Lt.Berkenstine]
    #23529967 - 08/11/16 12:13 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I'm talking about "Are these real?"  Which.. has nothing to do with you, rather the dude who thread jacked you.


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Re: Very thick overlay on pan cyan trays. Should I let it continue or re-case? [Re: Inocuole]
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Re: Very thick overlay on pan cyan trays. Should I let it continue or re-case? [Re: Lt.Berkenstine]
    #23535840 - 08/12/16 07:11 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Got home from work to find a few tiny pins in 2 of my trays, but all four of my trays are getting small amounts of mold. I guess I'll keep you updated on the trays that I just cased which are incubating now


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Re: Very thick overlay on pan cyan trays. Should I let it continue or re-case? [Re: Lt.Berkenstine]
    #23536630 - 08/12/16 11:43 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

ahaha, are these real.. :dawerp:


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Re: Very thick overlay on pan cyan trays. Should I let it continue or re-case? [Re: liloldme]
    #23540758 - 08/14/16 12:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

This is not going well. Already spot treating my new trays with everclear  :facepalm3:

I had hope for these trays because I used a different method of Hpoo pasteurization. I'm more than likely going to have to dump all of my trays and come back in a month or so when I have a clean culture.

Well I definitely picked shitty way to learn my lesson about that. Don't learn like I did. Start with agar.


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Re: are these real [Re: Lt.Berkenstine]
    #23540831 - 08/14/16 01:14 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Everclear won't do any good.


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Re: are these real [Re: dankington]
    #23541048 - 08/14/16 02:23 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Would I be better off with bleach or should I just go pick up some peroxide? I mean I doubt I'll be able to contain the contams enough either way. So far 6/12 trays have gotten mold.

So I have a question. If all my rye jars grew out just fine, no smell, no mold, lightning fast growth, then is it likely that the problem lies with my bulk sub and not my culture? I just started PCing some agar anyways but I'd like to get your opinions on that.

I did a hot water bath w/ oven bag pasteurization for 2.5 hrs at 160-170 and i did an oven pasteurization with a big ass pot filled with Hpoo  for 3ish hours at 170. I ensured that my temps were stable with a candy thermometer. The pot in the oven had a lot more Hpoo hence the extended time.. It was around 14 quarts. Sound like too much poo to you?


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Re: are these real [Re: Lt.Berkenstine]
    #23541178 - 08/14/16 03:00 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

best advice I have is to start over and clean things up on agar before going to grain. If you must keep them to continue fruiting, I find it's best to remove the entire infected spot with a clean fork.


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    #23571881 - 08/24/16 05:14 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Hey pasty! Have you ever tried super-spawning like blue-helix and anno did way back in the day? They really seemed to knock it out of the park with this method but I know it's probably outdated.

Just to refresh your memory, they knocked up bags full of sterilized poo and just waited for it to colonize, layed it out, and cased it.

Rather than spawning to bulk - sterilized RYE to pasteurized Poo.


Currently waiting on first transfers to grow out. Looking surprisingly clean already :/ Will post pics for approval.


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Re: PAN [Re: Lt.Berkenstine]
    #23571891 - 08/24/16 05:24 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Super spawning is really only something you want to do with outdoor grows.  It tends to work well because small animals love grain spawn, but will likely leave colonized bulk alone.

Otherwise, I can't say it's got anything about it that makes it worth the effort.  Pasty's opinion may be different of course.


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Re: PAN [Re: Inocuole] * 1
    #23571994 - 08/24/16 06:36 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Blue helix certainty had results with that and pans, but it wasn't superspawning. Just colonizing sterilize poo in sterile conditions really. I haven't tried it myself tho. I would save it for the pans too, cubes need more nutes if you want to see good harvests.


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Re: PAN [Re: Lt.Berkenstine] * 3
    #25411249 - 08/24/18 10:37 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

I know this is an old post, but I lurk from time to time.  My old grows were mentioned here, but let's talk about what I did.  I did not super spawn, guys.  I added maybe 10% birdseed and the rest was horse manure, pressure cooked it in the bag, added liquid culture, shaked, let to colonize, then laid the tray.  That's pre-spawning (i.e. I added grain to the final substrate before it was colonized).  It's not super spawning like when you add a whole lot of fully colonized grain to the uncolonized substrate to beef it up.

Lt.Berkenstine, you want to know why your grow turned out like that?  It was because of the "1:2 spawn ratio"  If you are going to add that much grain, pan cyans won't know what to do with it  Now I know why you did it: you wanted to knock one out of the park, right?  Well, adding too much grain or supplements to pan cyans grow substrate will do one of two things: (a) if you are unlucky, you'll contaminate, or--and this is what happened to you--(b) if doesn't contaminate the mycelium will never get the message that the food is gone and it's time to fruit, instead overlay the hell out of the tray, and then fail to fruit because that species needs that casing-substrate interface.  In the end you might end up with a ton of fluffy mycelium but not many fruits.

Pan Cyans aren't the only mushroom that does this by the way - probably most of them do.  Take something like Shiitake.  Ever see Shiitake grown from a super-spawned, ultra-rich sawdust block?  You know why you haven't?  Because the fruits won't develop right or possibly at all if you do that, and that is a species that basically creates its own casing interface (that hard outside layer)

So don't try to soup up the fruit out substrates growing most anything other than cubes (and cubes will fruit no matter what they are grown on, even pure grain).  Cubes are weird because even if you overlay the hell out of the casing, they still can fruit even without a casing interface layer.  Pan Cyans are more typical and _need_ that interface.  Just keep the supplementation low and the horse poo high, so you don't overlay the casing so bad that you basically can't fruit it.

And as for what I'd have done if I saw trays like yours?  I'd have tried to fruit them just like you did, and in the end, I'd probably not have many fruits (or any) to show for it.  Sometimes you're best just starting over.  I know it sucks, but you probably learned something, right?


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Re: PAN [Re: Pastywhyte] * 1
    #25411256 - 08/24/18 10:40 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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Blue helix certainty had results with that and pans, but it wasn't superspawning. Just colonizing sterilize poo in sterile conditions really. I haven't tried it myself tho. I would save it for the pans too, cubes need more nutes if you want to see good harvests.




Darn, I didn't notice this reply.  You are correct in everything you said I think.


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Re: PAN [Re: Blue Helix] * 1
    #25411298 - 08/24/18 11:09 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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Blue helix certainty had results with that and pans, but it wasn't superspawning. Just colonizing sterilize poo in sterile conditions really. I haven't tried it myself tho. I would save it for the pans too, cubes need more nutes if you want to see good harvests.




Darn, I didn't notice this reply.  You are correct in everything you said I think.




Thanks, nice to see old hands come back, I remember reading your logs when I was a noob.


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Re: PAN [Re: Blue Helix] * 1
    #25412160 - 08/25/18 09:59 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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I know this is an old post, but I lurk from time to time.  My old grows were mentioned here, but let's talk about what I did.  I did not super spawn, guys.  I added maybe 10% birdseed and the rest was horse manure, pressure cooked it in the bag, added liquid culture, shaked, let to colonize, then laid the tray.  That's pre-spawning (i.e. I added grain to the final substrate before it was colonized).  It's not super spawning like when you add a whole lot of fully colonized grain to the uncolonized substrate to beef it up.

Lt.Berkenstine, you want to know why your grow turned out like that?  It was because of the "1:2 spawn ratio"  If you are going to add that much grain, pan cyans won't know what to do with it  Now I know why you did it: you wanted to knock one out of the park, right?  Well, adding too much grain or supplements to pan cyans grow substrate will do one of two things: (a) if you are unlucky, you'll contaminate, or--and this is what happened to you--(b) if doesn't contaminate the mycelium will never get the message that the food is gone and it's time to fruit, instead overlay the hell out of the tray, and then fail to fruit because that species needs that casing-substrate interface.  In the end you might end up with a ton of fluffy mycelium but not many fruits.

Pan Cyans aren't the only mushroom that does this by the way - probably most of them do.  Take something like Shiitake.  Ever see Shiitake grown from a super-spawned, ultra-rich sawdust block?  You know why you haven't?  Because the fruits won't develop right or possibly at all if you do that, and that is a species that basically creates its own casing interface (that hard outside layer)

So don't try to soup up the fruit out substrates growing most anything other than cubes (and cubes will fruit no matter what they are grown on, even pure grain).  Cubes are weird because even if you overlay the hell out of the casing, they still can fruit even without a casing interface layer.  Pan Cyans are more typical and _need_ that interface.  Just keep the supplementation low and the horse poo high, so you don't overlay the casing so bad that you basically can't fruit it.

And as for what I'd have done if I saw trays like yours?  I'd have tried to fruit them just like you did, and in the end, I'd probably not have many fruits (or any) to show for it.  Sometimes you're best just starting over.  I know it sucks, but you probably learned something, right?




This explains all 4 of my shitty pan grows this year. Good to see you back, BH. We haven't
met but I've read everyone of your posts on here and mycotopia regarding pans. You've
inspired a lot of people on this board.


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Re: PAN [Re: Pastywhyte] * 1
    #25412174 - 08/25/18 10:06 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks!  Yeah, nice to see the place is still hoping, way more than back in the day!  It looks like lots of great techniques here, and lots of great grows, and plenty of help for all.  In the end, I think one thing matters with growing in my view - attention to detail.  It's the same story no matter what you are growing really.


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Re: PAN [Re: Asura] * 2
    #25412224 - 08/25/18 10:29 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks, Asura, and I was inspired by lots of folks on here too.  I remember Agar, Waylitjim, RogerRabbit, etc.  Most of the ideas I had were by listening to the people here, maybe sometimes tweaking it a little, and taking notes.  If you keep trying to grow pans, one day you'll have that 50% BE grow!  It happens, and it's pretty impressive when it does, basically outperforming cubensis in terms of the number of trips per pound substrate.  Just make sure you have some help with all the picking!  Like I remember this one grow where it took me and two other guys about two and a half hours to pick the first flush and we didn't have but maybe 8 little 13x9 trays growing.  The reason I like these little guys is that you can encapsulate them.  You can do that with cubes too, of course, but no one wants to gulp down 5 capsules like that.  It's like here, just take a handful of capsules, and the usual reaction is "isn't that too much?".  With pans a single 750mg capsule can trip one out pretty hard.  Two will take you to the moon sometimes.


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