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tryptkaloids
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stareatclouds said: Just curious, but what is the point of being super involved in a hobby and going through every step, just to apparently neglect or not care about the final leg of the process?
also, I gain the most benefit from working in the sab, fruiting and harvesting are simply byproducts, like washing jars.
that's not to say that I don't want to get a handle on fruiting, just that extra yield isn't why I do this
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids] 1
#25571241 - 10/27/18 11:15 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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why not grow shrooms if you hang out in mush cult all day and advise so many people on how to grow?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: JHOVA]
#25571257 - 10/27/18 11:23 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Anyone have suggestions for buying bulk rye or wheat in Ontario, Canada?
I know some farm feed stores will carry it but I've yet to find one. I have had success with finding wheat kernel at bulk barn but it is quite expensive.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: sh4d0ws]
#25571381 - 10/27/18 12:18 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have a specific question. What's the highest % weight of dried shrooms you got per a unit of dry unprepared grain. For example you prepare 1000g of rye grain and you get 50g of dry shrooms. That translates to 5% yield.
Have any of you ever calculated something similar to this? If so what's your personal best (all flushes included).
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IntergalacticSpore said: I have a specific question. What's the highest % weight of dried shrooms you got per a unit of dry unprepared grain. For example you prepare 1000g of rye grain and you get 50g of dry shrooms. That translates to 5% yield.
Have any of you ever calculated something similar to this? If so what's your personal best (all flushes included).
Most people generally get 28g dry mush per ~.75qt of grain, regardless of how much sub you use (or at least that's been my experience). My personal best is 46 grams dried from roughly 1 full quart of spawn.
Edited by DreamReality (10/27/18 12:33 PM)
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IntergalacticSpore said: Any european cultivators here? I'm looking at "affordable" pressure canner or large pressure cooker that can do 15 PSI and hold 7 jars. I already have a really good pressure cooker that does everything very well but it can only hold 3 jars, yesterday I spent 9 hours preparing 9 jars and I think it's time for a change.
I see a lot of pressure canners on ebay and amazon, the problem is, they are all coming from US. I pay 123$ that's okay 50$ more for shipping and 36$ for VAT... Turns the whole deal a bit sour.
Where do you european cultivators buy okay pressure cookers at reasonable prices?
I'm not in Europe, but look on Ebay and similar sites for a 23 quarter presto pressure canner, do not buy an electric pressure cooker, it is not the same.
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tryptkaloids
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: JHOVA]
#25571501 - 10/27/18 01:04 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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JHOVA said: why not grow shrooms if you hang out in mush cult all day and advise so many people on how to grow?
See my initial response to stare.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids] 1
#25571506 - 10/27/18 01:08 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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I do grow shrooms, just not well. Just picked this PE mutant.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Doc9151]
#25571541 - 10/27/18 01:22 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Doc9151 said: I'm not in Europe, but look on Ebay and similar sites for a 23 quarter presto pressure canner, do not buy an electric pressure cooker, it is not the same.
What's wrong with the electric one? I was actually considering getting it. It seems to have high PSI rating. The socket is shit but I can make an adapter. Temperature control, I don't know about that one yet.
PS: Pls chill out on tryptkaloids, I like him. Maybe he just finds the work involved relaxing.
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Edited by IntergalacticSpore (10/27/18 03:11 PM)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#25571670 - 10/27/18 02:28 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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stareatclouds said: Just curious, but what is the point of being super involved in a hobby and going through every step, just to apparently neglect or not care about the final leg of the process?
also, I gain the most benefit from working in the sab, fruiting and harvesting are simply byproducts, like washing jars.
that's not to say that I don't want to get a handle on fruiting, just that extra yield isn't why I do this
No offense but what is your objective, what is it you intend to learn and possibly teach?
There are various people who test growth, nutrients, pH and various other factors prior to fruiting, however it's usually scientific or has an end purpose. For example, testing various nitrogen sources on a single media (say agar, or even coir), and both analyse and record results.
Personally, without the scientific angle, most scenarios will be: stick a-b-c together and see what happens. If you knew more about the composition, and other factors, you would likely benefit.
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When I started with cultivating, my objective (and still is really) is to use medias the don't infect, or easily, 'open to air'. At the same time I want the media to be nutritional, and cheaper, I had to learn quite a lot (over 7 years).
The ultimate result will be to harvest production, such as fruit mass, materials or enzymes. If you want compost, either buy it or make a composter and keep adding waste.
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I can tell you, all or most of my teks are not much different to any other one, i'm just using different materials and recipe's. This is because most of the research (for domestic cultivating) is already done for you by others.
Most of it will be trial and error, and people who spent money-time doing so.
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There will be plenty of opportunities to (dis)prove something, for example lets say 5-6 people say [X] about a matter. And you think you can (dis)approve the information, go ahead and do it, take images and so on.
I love being corrected myself, this allows me to do better, and teach facts.
Just my opinion, I have had arguments in the past (it's not worth it).
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Ferather]
#25572017 - 10/27/18 05:30 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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tryptkaloids said:
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stareatclouds said: Just curious, but what is the point of being super involved in a hobby and going through every step, just to apparently neglect or not care about the final leg of the process?
also, I gain the most benefit from working in the sab, fruiting and harvesting are simply byproducts, like washing jars.
that's not to say that I don't want to get a handle on fruiting, just that extra yield isn't why I do this
No offense but what is your objective, what is it you intend to learn and possibly teach?
There are various people who test growth, nutrients, pH and various other factors prior to fruiting, however it's usually scientific or has an end purpose. For example, testing various nitrogen sources on a single media (say agar, or even coir), and both analyse and record results.
Personally, without the scientific angle, most scenarios will be: stick a-b-c together and see what happens. If you knew more about the composition, and other factors, you would likely benefit.
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When I started with cultivating, my objective (and still is really) is to use medias the don't infect, or easily, 'open to air'. At the same time I want the media to be nutritional, and cheaper, I had to learn quite a lot (over 7 years).
The ultimate result will be to harvest production, such as fruit mass, materials or enzymes. If you want compost, either buy it or make a composter and keep adding waste.
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I can tell you, all or most of my teks are not much different to any other one, i'm just using different materials and recipe's. This is because most of the research (for domestic cultivating) is already done for you by others.
Most of it will be trial and error, and people who spent money-time doing so.
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There will be plenty of opportunities to (dis)prove something, for example lets say 5-6 people say [X] about a matter. And you think you can (dis)approve the information, go ahead and do it, take images and so on.
I love being corrected myself, this allows me to do better, and teach facts.
Just my opinion, I have had arguments in the past (it's not worth it).
I honestly just want to grow enough cubes to keep my depression at bay. I can do that. Im just honing it to do it cheaper
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#25572026 - 10/27/18 05:33 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well, i made 6 qts and 6 pints yesterday. Went to inoculate them and it's like ive never seen a sab. I got 3 done and gave up. Today's not the day. I probably just wasted about 5 bux of grain. Whar would you do with it?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids] 1
#25572145 - 10/27/18 06:20 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Stop feeling sorry for yourself and do the damn sab work.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#25572251 - 10/27/18 06:59 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'd bet you'd feel better at the end of the day if you finished the work. You got this far, might as well finish it off!
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Psicomb]
#25572290 - 10/27/18 07:12 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don't think trypt will gotta feed depression somehow.
The vicious cycle continues..
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: sh4d0ws] 1
#25572323 - 10/27/18 07:28 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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sh4d0ws said: Anyone have suggestions for buying bulk rye or wheat in Ontario, Canada?
I know some farm feed stores will carry it but I've yet to find one. I have had success with finding wheat kernel at bulk barn but it is quite expensive.
Buy whole oats from TSC store.
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tryptkaloids
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: JHOVA]
#25572482 - 10/27/18 08:17 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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JHOVA said: Stop feeling sorry for yourself and do the damn sab work.
Im not feeling sorry for myself. Im sick as hell and can barely breathe so the iso is killing me. Im distracted as all hell. Theres a lot going on
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#25572533 - 10/27/18 08:35 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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sh4d0ws said: Anyone have suggestions for buying bulk rye or wheat in Ontario, Canada?
I know some farm feed stores will carry it but I've yet to find one. I have had success with finding wheat kernel at bulk barn but it is quite expensive.
Buy whole oats from TSC store.
Boom!
There is one of those in town...and they have 25kg bags of oats in stock....thank you sir
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#25572539 - 10/27/18 08:40 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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tryptkaloids said:
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JHOVA said: Stop feeling sorry for yourself and do the damn sab work.
Im not feeling sorry for myself. Im sick as hell and can barely breathe so the iso is killing me. Im distracted as all hell. Theres a lot going on
then dont use iso. technically if your sterile tech is good you dont really even need any at all.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: sh4d0ws] 1
#25572611 - 10/27/18 09:13 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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sh4d0ws said:
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p9hu7 said:
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sh4d0ws said: Anyone have suggestions for buying bulk rye or wheat in Ontario, Canada?
I know some farm feed stores will carry it but I've yet to find one. I have had success with finding wheat kernel at bulk barn but it is quite expensive.
Buy whole oats from TSC store.
Boom!
There is one of those in town...and they have 25kg bags of oats in stock....thank you sir

That's where I go for oats, shredded straw, sawdust pellets, 55 gal drums etc. They have lot's of good mycology stuff in the feed section.
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