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TheAtlantean
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: O0ZE]
#25450746 - 09/10/18 08:24 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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O0ZE said: So what's going on here? i birthed my jars 7 days ago. not sure if that the right word. the (3) tubs were getting light 24HR a day for 7 days straight. now they are on a 12 HR cycle. shouldn't i be seeing denser masses after 7 days at a temp that ranges 72 - 75F with humidity at 90%













It looks like its doing really well. You got a few more days.
Check your thread. A few of us responded to your question.
I give it 3 days before you see knotting and/or hyphae.
5-6 days before pins.
Try to think about the concept of rain.
When it rains the barometric pressure drops, temperatures drop and humidity goes up.
Then
Evaporation begins...
Triggering pinning
You got a few days breh. Sit back. and just watch. Patience is key...you know this.
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TheAtlantean
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: TheAtlantean]
#25450752 - 09/10/18 08:26 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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Do you have any specific questions? Or do you want us to comment that it looks white, and brown, and like it could produce around 5oz of mushers
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: TheAtlantean]
#25450753 - 09/10/18 08:27 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ferather
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: bodhisatta]
#25451683 - 09/11/18 07:16 AM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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@O0ZE, I see a potential pin here, lol.
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00Burnout
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Ferather] 1
#25451841 - 09/11/18 09:18 AM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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I found out last night that my azure bed is still alive even though I neglected it all summer. I love the resilience of fungi!
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: 00Burnout]
#25453022 - 09/11/18 06:18 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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Lucky bastard!
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O0ZE
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Asura]
#25453202 - 09/11/18 07:37 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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found 4 pins. (1) is a mutant with no cap. the pins came after i gave the tubs some darkness. not sure if that had anything to do with the pinning. i just started cycling light 12 on 12 off because it's a good thing and i have an extension cord, so my fan and humidifier can run 24hr. 73F and 90% humidity. un modified tubs lid flipped with some assist from a hard floor closet with a humidifier and lights. towel stuffed under the door. the door is opened twice a day and fanned for less than or equal to 30 seconds. that's about it. oh yea and i guess i'm not supposed to mist, but i do once every 7 days or so. the beads lasted about a week before evaporating. as long as i got some beads somewhere i'm happy. I'm gonna harvest by floating. let it soak then flip right? how long to soak? 24hr as side, or 12hr per side? i feel like 12 a side is right.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Ferather]
#25454186 - 09/12/18 06:30 AM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ferather said: Lignicolous mycelium can produce energy and glycogen by cleaving the phenols (C-H-O, sometimes also N). The mycelium can produce either or both laccase enzymes and lignin peroxidases enzymes.
Both types of enzymes require oxygen, or an oxidant, to produce energy and glycogen.
Induction of Extracellular Hydroxyl Radical Production by White-Rot Fungi
My images show us that the mycelium also has an 'internal' mechanism.
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Here is a post I made after a basic analysis on Golden oyster, sun light (photolysis) and sulphur uptake.
I believe it's possible active mycelium produce it as an anti-oxidant, or as part of nutritional cycle.
Thanks for the quick links . Those are higly logical. That bluing is possibly a display of its antioxidant properties, was also curious interms of oysters as youve mentioned that its produces vit c in the substrate.
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00Burnout
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Asura]
#25454382 - 09/12/18 08:56 AM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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Asura said: Lucky bastard!
Ikr! I just decided to poke around on a whim, and there was mycelium peeking out all over the place. I had to throw more mulch down lol
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: 00Burnout]
#25454855 - 09/12/18 12:48 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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Anyobe ever grow buttons? I told someone cubes are the easiest mushroom to grow and they disagreed saying buttons are pretty damn easy. Don't they require compost though?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#25454959 - 09/12/18 01:23 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah got some portabella spores thinking they would be easy AF to grow since there so many in stores, found ya need aged compost. Didn't do a whole lot of research though. So I started a compost bin, mabye next year. 
Would be nice to know if they are easy to do indoors or overall, love buttons and portabellas.
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Zero Nowhere
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: R.I.P.Zappa]
#25455673 - 09/12/18 06:27 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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Can't ya do portabella on straw? Pretty sure you can.
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Ferather
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Zero Nowhere]
#25456634 - 09/13/18 05:48 AM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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Agaricus is a secondary decomposer, If I remember correctly it produces very little proteases, meaning it has issues acquiring nitrogen. It can decay cellulose and starch just fine, but might require slight acidity if it's cellulase enzymes are acid stable.
In general it should be secondary due to lack of enzymes, requiring third party decay (primary). Another possibility is cellulose rich compost + nitrogen fixating organism(s).
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Ferather]
#25456640 - 09/13/18 05:57 AM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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Could you use spent Cubensis substrate , assuming it was sterilised, as Agaricus substrate? Since its already been munched on by the Cube myc. maybe with hpoo instead of coir?
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Cubensis is mostly primary *, and I've seen people use spent cube subs on other types of mycelium. I cant say for sure as I have never tried spent medias, but it's very likely to work.
The spent media should be slightly acidic, which is ideal.
* Cubensis appears to expel most or all of the primary enzymes used by mycelium. It does not appear to utilize laccase's and-or lignin peroxidase's.
It also does not like too much acidity, it prefers ~ pH 7.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Ferather]
#25456713 - 09/13/18 06:59 AM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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So theoretically I could just PC my spent shoebox subs in a bag, then noc up with Agaricus spawn. What do you even use as Agaricus spawn? Millet?Milo? -------------------- Just checked some papers and apparently both Rye and Millet are used for spawn. I guess I can cook up some millet and knock it with one of my cultures in the mean time.
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tryptkaloids
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ManifoldPrime said: So theoretically I could just PC my spent shoebox subs in a bag, then noc up with Agaricus spawn. What do you even use as Agaricus spawn? Millet?Milo? -------------------- Just checked some papers and apparently both Rye and Millet are used for spawn. I guess I can cook up some millet and knock it with one of my cultures in the mean time.
I wouldnt sterilize, just crumble hydrate and respawn. Most mushrooms can be grown on any grain spawn
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#25457089 - 09/13/18 10:03 AM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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Showing my stupidity.. But i thought that substrate usually has no nutrients and the myc that was spawned in it will have used all of it's energy/nutrients up? why use used substrate?
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tryptkaloids
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: icetech]
#25457162 - 09/13/18 10:35 AM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well, for comercial growing it is more cost effective, because it still retains water. Typically it get supplemented. But im pretty sure secondary decomposers eat primary decomposers. So its worth a shot to just see how much it gets from just cube myc
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#25457166 - 09/13/18 10:36 AM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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tryptkaloids said: Well, for comercial growing it is more cost effective, because it still retains water. Typically it get supplemented. But im pretty sure secondary decomposers eat primary decomposers. So its worth a shot to just see how much it gets from just cube myc
Ahh cool.. i didn't know bout secondary growths.. now i do
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