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LizardWizard
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: bodhisatta]
#25439495 - 09/06/18 08:07 AM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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Bodhi to the rescue!
Ovoids it is then. Explains why I didn't find it looking for Cyanofriscosa/Allenii..
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van hatton
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: LizardWizard]
#25439616 - 09/06/18 09:25 AM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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Haha I've read that thread before and even have referenced that picture before. Bodhi once again on point with search skills. This is the second time you've posted that thread because of me 
Didn't realize they were ovoids he was using. Wonder if they ever fruited.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: van hatton] 1
#25439686 - 09/06/18 10:04 AM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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I looked over those images, personally I think the rhizomorphs are due to environmental stress, and-or nutrients.
Not all lignicolous mycelium do well with 'solid' wood, they also need a nitrogen source (such as nitrogen fixating blue-green algae) on logs. Both the mycelium and other beneficial organisms will be on the surface area, which is also the area to dry out the fastest.
Anaerobic organisms will also not do so well on solid wood, not only because of it's composition, but also the inability to remove gases.
It's likely the major reason for the rhizomorphs is drying out, and the inability to be anywhere else other than the surface.
Some mycelium can produce rhizomorphs due to light, and other responses such as escape from infection (probably toxins).
Lignicolous mycelium such as oyster (normally seen on logs, or trunks) can penetrate wood, and other materials (and organisms). If your lignicolous mycelium is 'not' naturally seen on logs, it's not likely to be suitable substrate or media for it.
Even oysters do better when wood is broken down (and more airy), and better again if enriched.
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LizardWizard
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Ferather]
#25439728 - 09/06/18 10:26 AM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think that all sounds highly speculative.
I too don't think it's very likely to properly fruit from solid blicks though.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: LizardWizard] 1
#25439779 - 09/06/18 10:47 AM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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Which part sounds speculative, perhaps I can clarify.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Ferather]
#25439886 - 09/06/18 11:47 AM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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Lignicolous mycelium such as oyster (normally seen on logs, or trunks) can penetrate wood, and other materials (and organisms). If your lignicolous mycelium is 'not' naturally seen on logs, it's not likely to be suitable substrate or media for it.
I think this is the part he means.
The reason is because we grow cubes on mostly straight coir. Which cubes don't usually grow on naturally afaik.
That post that guy used an actual block of wood depending on the treatment of the wood could also cause fruits to not form and or the mycelium itself grows like shit.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Ferather]
#25439909 - 09/06/18 11:56 AM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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andQuote:
Ferather said: and the inability to be anywhere else other than the surface.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#25440153 - 09/06/18 01:57 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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And the various reasons for various types of mycelium that we so often proclaim to understand, but honestly I believe we don't. I'm not saying I know any better btw, I just don't believe our understanding of mushrooms is that extensive or correct/complete.
A picture just doesn't tell enough to be sure about such things.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: LizardWizard] 1
#25442244 - 09/07/18 09:27 AM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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Indeed LizardWizard, and that's why it's always best to try and understand mycelium as best as possible. Aggregated rhizomorphic mycelium never seem to colonize as well as dense tomentose mycelium.
The mycelium I will use for images does not aggregate as much as other types, however it provides a pattern.
Here are rhizomorphs due to bad pH (effects enzymes).

Same mycelium, with pine, adjusted pH to 7.

Here are rhizomorphs due to low nutrition. And Without, with added nutrition.

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Here is a natural example, of a tree dwelling lignicolous mycelium, and nitrogen fixating blue-green algae. The cottonwood is high in carbon, low in nitrogen, it does also contain elements such as potassium.
Normally you wouldn't see much surface mycelium, however what is visible is tomentose.

The mycelium in the images from that post is nothing but surface aggregated rhizomorphs. I've seen both cyans and azures produce both rhizomorphic and tomentose growth.
Please also be aware that there are other factors than can cause rhizomorphs.
If the mycelium 'only' produces rhizomorphs, then you are stuck with it.
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Here is an example of dense tomentose growth on a T-Gel.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Ferather]
#25443614 - 09/07/18 08:30 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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update on the bacterial moldy spawn. stuff looks ok i think. doesn't smell funky, but doesn't smell strongly either. i believe it smells a little sweet.
5 days in. this look normal?
temp gets up to 76. humidity gets around 85. the door was open for awhile. i change air twice a day.

top view. medium tub

top view of the largest tub

side view medium tub

photo of setup
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: O0ZE]
#25444008 - 09/07/18 11:18 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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almost there boy!
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O0ZE
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ye'sir. i believe i am. almost time for celebratin' they seem to be liki'n the environment i made for them. can you smell the freshness? they taste disgusting. shhh shhh
come to me babies!

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: O0ZE] 1
#25444501 - 09/08/18 06:46 AM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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More on my post:
Here are the 'basics' on Saprotrophic nutrition. Where it talks about starch you can include cellulose. In addition, most mycelium can utilize more than just proteins as a nitrogen source.
I have expanded most of the detail in my pocket guide.
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Here are some additional images of the requirements for O2. Oxidants are used in decay and material production.
Edited by Ferather (09/08/18 07:25 AM)
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O0ZE
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Ferather]
#25444849 - 09/08/18 10:04 AM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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really like that layer diagram of the mycelia body
so ferather, this might be a half hatched question, but what are your opinions on condensation appearing as tiny droplets on top of mycelium VS simply having humidity at 90%?
from what i'm seeing, being able to keep these droplets around by having high humidity is a good thing, but the droplets themselves are just indicators of good humidity / preferred rate of moisture loss / and a manipulation tool for pin triggering. should they be used that way? I think i'm going to use droplets as a tool used for testing and manipulating rather than keep them as a constant. Do droplets benefit mycelia? they seem to create a weak point and that's why they shouldn't be a constant. they are more of an indicator and something to be manipulated / watched closely? How is my understanding of things? i've got a small problem with my large tub.
I've got a matted spot due to a light too close. i find that whenever i have a light too close the spot on the substrate gets matted and dryer. i've backed off the light and am avoiding further misting. my surface can hold droplets and that's just fine with me. i don't need droplets. humidity is what i should be reading and concerned with?
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Edited by O0ZE (09/08/18 10:21 AM)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: O0ZE]
#25445254 - 09/08/18 02:22 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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Why does my agar packet I ordered have a California proposition 65 cancer and birth defect warning on it? Lol is this common and should I use these agar bags or not?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: gizmodo]
#25445266 - 09/08/18 02:26 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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Everything in California causes cancer
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Zero Nowhere]
#25445269 - 09/08/18 02:27 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Zero Nowhere said: Everything in California causes cancer
Of course, but I wonder if this is typical? I imagine I'd be okay but I was just wondering if anyone has encountered that on a packet.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: gizmodo]
#25445274 - 09/08/18 02:33 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't know man. If it's only agar without preservitaves or other shit you'll be fine. Did you read the ingredients? I get mine at health food store. It don't say causes cancer
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Zero Nowhere]
#25445276 - 09/08/18 02:34 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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Zero Nowhere said: I don't know man. If it's only agar without preservitaves or other shit you'll be fine. Did you read the ingredients? I get mine at health food store. It don't say causes cancer
But do you live in California. Ingredients only Agar. Probably a side of lead dust.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: gizmodo]
#25445279 - 09/08/18 02:36 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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No I don't live in ca. I'm sure its fine.
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