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Mycolorado
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: 00Burnout]
#25426069 - 08/31/18 11:33 AM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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I feel ya, 00Burnout!
@ trypt - yep, greenhouse. Cool for the oyster, warm for the Pans. Both liked lots of air movement and high humidity. I've grown oysters on both straw sup'd with alfalfa and HFP sup'd with bran, both work great. If you don't have a hood, I'd recommend straw bags as you can pasteurize and spawn open air. The rub with straw is that it's messy and super bulky which requires a good sized vat to pasteurize in. I used to do it in a huge cooler but that can be a pain in the ass and ended up using a steel 50gal drum over a propane burner. If you go with a drum, you need a cherry picker type set up to get the straw out. OR just do smaller batches. Check the gourmet thread, there's tons of great info over there. Gr0wer, Quadman, Drake89, Morepies, to name a few, are all awesome cultivators with great info/knowledge to be picked over. Also check out BuckeyOysters, his shit was epic but he doesn't post anymore.
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00Burnout
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mycolorado]
#25426089 - 08/31/18 11:43 AM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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I miss my ghetto gh lol. It eventually just started falling apart, but it proved my point that one could be made for very very very cheap. I think I spent maybe $120 on everything for it. The next one I build I'm going to silicon the seams, throw a drip pan under it (my carpet was wet almost constantly, no bueno), build a pvc frame, and buy a good 10 head fogger for my humidibucket instead of 1 of those little bird bath foggers like I had been using.
I think I'm gonna switch to wood chips/pellets and try to sup with spent brewery grains. Prepping straw and pasteurizing it indoors was a HUGE mess and a guaranteed way to irritate my old lady lol. I really need a bigger place though tbh. This house was meant for 1 person to live in, not a couple and a mushroom farm lol.
I have sooo many species to play with, and no room to play
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O0ZE
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: 00Burnout]
#25427300 - 08/31/18 09:14 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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huh, guess my stuff is bacterial because i didn't transfer enough. i only performed a transfer from 1 plate that had been in the fridge for months and through my house at least twice. handled in the kitchen a few times too. that's got to be it. in any case, i'll be happy with usable.
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Edited by O0ZE (08/31/18 09:33 PM)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: O0ZE]
#25427399 - 08/31/18 10:24 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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These APE clones seem to be doing well. Blurry pic,but no noticeable issues? Left jar is 7 days after a 30% shake and right is about 4 days after 30% shake.

I'm going with one shake on these,but I am exploring the methods while I get into grain and wonder what benefits/drawbacks on 2 or multiple shakes would be.
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00Burnout
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushroomnate]
#25427659 - 09/01/18 01:54 AM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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I could be wrong, and I'm sure someone will gladly correct me, but I believe multiple shakes would just weaken the mycelium. The way I see it, everytime you shake, you break up the mycelial network and force it to expend more energy reestablishing that network rather than solely on munchin out in2your grains.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: 00Burnout]
#25427785 - 09/01/18 04:57 AM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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00Burnout said: I could be wrong, and I'm sure someone will gladly correct me, but I believe multiple shakes would just weaken the mycelium. The way I see it, everytime you shake, you break up the mycelial network and force it to expend more energy reestablishing that network rather than solely on munchin out in2your grains.
I am a shaker (2-4 times per jar) and I haven't noticed it affect anything in a negative way. That TC from back in the day, Citric, would shake like 5 times in a week haha. I have also heard your theory, though, and I honestly have only been growing consistently for 9ish months so my experience is fairly limited, nor have a done any real testing around this.
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00Burnout
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Psicomb]
#25427877 - 09/01/18 06:23 AM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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Because I grow mostly truffles, I don't shake after inoc if I can help it.
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icetech



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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: 00Burnout]
#25427904 - 09/01/18 06:44 AM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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00Burnout said: Because I grow mostly truffles, I don't shake after inoc if I can help it.
Don't know much bout truffles.. more or less potent than cubes? longer or shorter trip? different trip? and taste?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: 00Burnout]
#25427917 - 09/01/18 07:03 AM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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00Burnout said: Because I grow mostly truffles, I don't shake after inoc if I can help it.
Ah, that makes sense. I have heard multiple talented growers say similar things as you about shaking so I might just do some tests when I get a monoculture and see if shaking multiple times changes anything.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Psicomb]
#25427925 - 09/01/18 07:22 AM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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icetech said:
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00Burnout said: Because I grow mostly truffles, I don't shake after inoc if I can help it.
Don't know much bout truffles.. more or less potent than cubes? longer or shorter trip? different trip? and taste?
Well, that depends on if you're comparing fresh weight or dry weight. Truffles are only 2/3 water instead of 90% like cubes. Fresh, truffles about 2x stronger than cubes but if they're dry cubes take the cake. The duration of the trip is still the same but they do feel a bit more energetic and euphoric than cubes ime. I can't stand the taste and almost always make tea, they're very bitter kinda like biting into a walnut and a carrot.
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00Burnout said: Because I grow mostly truffles, I don't shake after inoc if I can help it.
Ah, that makes sense. I have heard multiple talented growers say similar things as you about shaking so I might just do some tests when I get a monoculture and see if shaking multiple times changes anything.
Lemme know what you find!
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tryptkaloids
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: 00Burnout]
#25428191 - 09/01/18 10:40 AM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ive noticed that % at time of shake effect time more than # of shakes.
IME Any less than 10% and any more than like 25-30% will slow things down for the first shake. For a second shake 65-80% seem the best.
I hardly ever shake more than once and this coyld be correlation not causation
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: 00Burnout]
#25428205 - 09/01/18 10:44 AM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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perfect time to ask this question then. so my jars. the possible bacterial ones. i haven't shaken them more than and it seems we are not exactly sure how healthy they are. perhaps a shake would put them to the test. A few days ago I've shaken 1 other that looked shady, and it's recovering well. how many should i shake. a couple, or all. maybe the problem is in all jars, or maybe they will all recover. if they all recover could that mean we've learned something about appearances? possibly right?
shake'em?
i'm actually going to keep this next batch at 1 shake and lower temps. 72-75F Though, about 76 seems to be the sweet spot. a little stress keeps things strong and aggressive. too much stress and they destruct. just like steel in a flame, or an athlete and training. strength through adversity.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: O0ZE]
#25428221 - 09/01/18 10:53 AM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think that line of questioning is all mixed up... How many jars do you have, and how many times have they been shaken? You can tell cleanliness with a single shake take pics if you want real advice
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#25428245 - 09/01/18 11:09 AM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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(12) jars. all but (3) have been shook once very early on. very recently another (3) were shook when they were 100%. the most shady looking ones. (1) of the (3) has been recovering for (3) days. the other (2) were shook last night, or today. this will be the second time for the rest. all are at, or were at 100%.
pics right after, or before the shake. they have not been shook, but you saw them already. and how long after the shake do you want to see them?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: O0ZE] 1
#25428345 - 09/01/18 11:58 AM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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I like to check on them at 24hrs 36hrs and 48 hrs post shake. I also don't shake to check recovery at 100% i just shake to spawn
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#25428350 - 09/01/18 12:02 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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ok thanks. what should i see at 24, 36, and 48? nothing special just basic recovery right?
here's one at over 48. here is before and after
AFTER

BEFORE. LEFT ONE
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Edited by O0ZE (09/01/18 12:12 PM)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: O0ZE] 1
#25428356 - 09/01/18 12:07 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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Speed of recovery or lack thereof
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: JHOVA] 1
#25428362 - 09/01/18 12:10 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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clean spawn should be fuzzy again bt 24 hours. If it atleast recovers in 48 hours i may still spawn it depending on how bad it looks
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#25428401 - 09/01/18 12:40 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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in a moment i'm going to post some photos of the new batch. these photos show ooze emanating from the grain. the grain was soaked, boiled until i can squish it with a role of my finger, then they were PC'd at 90 minutes. inoculated a day after the PC. the ooze is the same color as the grain seeds. looks like that might be my bacterial source. the grain itself and the pasteurization performed was not good enough.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: O0ZE]
#25428428 - 09/01/18 12:54 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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sorry, semi re-post.
these photos show ooze emanating from the grain. the grain was soaked, boiled until i can squish it with a role of my finger, then they were PC'd at 16PSI for 90 minutes. inoculated a day after the PC. the ooze is the same color as the grain seeds. looks like that might be my bacterial source. the grain itself and the pasteurization performed was not good enough.
suspected bacterial spots. i took many photos for better illustration and decision making. you may have to use the zoom function to see more detail. photo quality is ok.






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Edited by O0ZE (09/01/18 01:22 PM)
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