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Changa Alchemist
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#25297054 - 06/28/18 01:29 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#25297056 - 06/28/18 01:31 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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tryptkaloids said: Because sterilization kills everything pasteurization only kills molds and certain bacteria. Sometimes there are seeds in coir. Say I took 2 grain jars. One sterilized one pasteurized. The sterilized one will mold first guaranteed
Sterilization pomotes mold growth? Thanks trypt now i know you just repeat what everyone else says without the slightest inclination to test it out for yourself . prove your claims bud.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: JHOVA]
#25297113 - 06/28/18 02:04 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Cant do that from work lol. Ill test it with grain because seeds are the issue when it comes to contamed coir prior to inoculation.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#25297136 - 06/28/18 02:14 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Let's talk casing layers.
I've read that casings are beneficial, I've read they do nothing, also casing layers are only beneficial to any kind of pe.
Is it true casing is good for some and not others? Sounds like a bunch of nonsense. I've got some jiffy mix and plan on using it on some shoe boxes like frank does here.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18880716
Do you guys get greater yields with casing?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: scab eater2]
#25297142 - 06/28/18 02:16 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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it can help yields if you require the casing to promote pinning. If you can get pinning without it, it won't really effect your yields.
I haven't done a true casing for cubes other than PE varieties; however, I have done no layer and a psuedocasing at spawning. All do well for me. That being said, lately I have been spawning and adding a small psuedocasing with some of the bulk that I set aside.
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Yea,for me the "pseudo"casing(top layer at spawn)is kind of like a safety net for moisture.In my case it has helped a lot,especially in my shoeboxes. As for PE I top layered some,late cased some,and did without,all with just coir/verm as casing.Both the late cased(after full colonization)and top layered at spawn did somewhat better than the tubs with no casing did for me.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushroomnate]
#25298214 - 06/29/18 02:47 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'll make some control batches of Coir and test it out to see what contams first (no spawn, waste 2 shoeboxes for you people) cause I dont like it when mommy and daddy fight
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: bodhisatta]
#25298557 - 06/29/18 08:48 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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HyphalSystem said: Trich loves coir!
Never seen it growing on just coir before. It doesn't start growing on bucket tek coir left in the bucket for weeks, it doesn't start growing in reptile terrariums. Only on coir with mycelium and grain in it or coir with a plant potted in it have i seen green molds spring up.
In general i have no issues with trich on coir. I do know that industrial trichoderma production primarily use coir or sometimes bran as their substrate.
Its also naturally occurring on wood. More so on wood alreadt colonized by other fungi but is also found solo
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HyphalSystem said: Trich loves coir!
Never seen it growing on just coir before. It doesn't start growing on bucket tek coir left in the bucket for weeks, it doesn't start growing in reptile terrariums. Only on coir with mycelium and grain in it or coir with a plant potted in it have i seen green molds spring up.
In general i have no issues with trich on coir. I do know that industrial trichoderma production primarily use coir or sometimes bran as their substrate.
Its also naturally occurring on wood. More so on wood alreadt colonized by other fungi but is also found solo
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ManifoldPrime said: I'll make some control batches of Coir and test it out to see what contams first (no spawn, waste 2 shoeboxes for you people) cause I dont like it when mommy and daddy fight
I bet they'll both dry out. Before mold strikes
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#25298698 - 06/29/18 10:14 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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If we really wanna do some tests, it would need to be an ongoing thing not just a one time test, and even then I'm not sure it would tell us much different..
As has already been said, many of us leave coir in the bucket/cooler for long periods without mold growth.
And there have also been examples of people posting mold growth on unused coir
So either way, its not really going to tell us anything new
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: pixelpopper]
#25298724 - 06/29/18 10:32 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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i never intended to spark debate. Just making suggestions based on what i would do
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#25298745 - 06/29/18 10:48 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think the "age" of the coir has something to-do with it along with general humidity.
I was using older blocks and was getting mold 2 days later on coir. Switched to newer bricks and nothing at all.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#25298810 - 06/29/18 11:36 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Then I'll mist too
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Buffered or not might be a factor as well.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Crispykoot]
#25299324 - 06/29/18 04:11 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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https://www.maximumyield.com/the-chemistry-of-coco-coir/2/2678
Found this on coir. The whole article is a good read.
".... Cocoโs woody, structural tissues consist of roughly two-thirds carbohydrates and one-third lignin. The carbohydrates are the complex polysaccharides cellulose and hemicellulose. Lignin is a complex polymer. These are the most prominent organic polymers on Earth. With large reserves of cellulose and lignin as energy storage, coco coir readily becomes a breeding ground for beneficial micro-organisms.
The beneficial microcosm in the root zone of plants grown in coco can also include bacteria, which are technically referred to as plant-growth promoting rhizobacteria (PGPR). Many beneficial fungi include mycorrhizae, yeasts and more. Fungi such as Aspergillus nidulans produce enzymes called cellulases that break down the cellulose in the coco fibers. At this point, the coir becomes a carbon source (energy) for all the micro-organisms in the soil and the plants themselves."
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Tookitooki]
#25299663 - 06/29/18 07:31 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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That may be true but after it is processed into bricks, those microorganisms may be absent and unable to grow in the dehydrated environment.
At least bod claimed that earlier.
And then once it is hydrated with water that presumably contains microorganisms, it can be a nice breeding ground for beneficial microorganisms.
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This wet coir has been sitting in a pot with an ill-fitting lid since late April. NOTHING is growing on it.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mycolorado]
#25299759 - 06/29/18 08:24 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Coir that was made and 2 days later this.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: van hatton]
#25299767 - 06/29/18 08:30 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Looks like thereโs straw in there....was that added or was it in the brick?
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