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Humble Newcomer
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: TheBlackCat]
#25044264 - 03/06/18 11:28 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Lmao I know every word
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filthyknees
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Germs]
#25044575 - 03/07/18 05:41 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Germs said:
 Oh look its the reason for every heated mush cult debate explained
Saw this on FB and instantly thought of this place lol. Semantics
Lol
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: filthyknees]
#25044794 - 03/07/18 08:56 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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O0ZE said: Hammy!
I did it. word man. thanks for the help ya'll. still got lots more learnin to do, but i did it.
PROPS to everyone that gave me clear and concise help. couldn't have done it without this place!

i think they look dry. i got somebody taking care of them right now. pisses me off to think this dope went 2 days without misting my babies.
can i get a critique on what i can do to improve the health of future fruits from a new tub i'll be doing after this one finishes. what do these fruits tell you about how they grew?
Gorgeous fruits. Conditions are on point but the sub isn't as tight as it should be, but we already knew it's bacterial
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: TheBlackCat]
#25044969 - 03/07/18 10:02 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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O0ZE said: Hammy!
I did it. word man. thanks for the help ya'll. still got lots more learnin to do, but i did it.
PROPS to everyone that gave me clear and concise help. couldn't have done it without this place!

i think they look dry. i got somebody taking care of them right now. pisses me off to think this dope went 2 days without misting my babies.
can i get a critique on what i can do to improve the health of future fruits from a new tub i'll be doing after this one finishes. what do these fruits tell you about how they grew?
I'm too tired and high to say anything except those are really pretty. I love it when they get all pointy. I had these Escondidos that were fun too. What strain is that?
lol no clue. got'em from somebody here. said they are b+. i actually want to grow me some amazonian cubes. i don't think these shrooms were cultivated for properly (my bust) so they are probably going to look a little bit off from what they are supposed to look like.
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Doc9151 said: It's definitely surface conditions. I've seen 2 many quality grows to think other wise.
surface conditions as in misting/fanning/polyfil is off? all or 1, maybe 1, or 2?
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filthyknees said:
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Germs said:
 Oh look its the reason for every heated mush cult debate explained
Saw this on FB and instantly thought of this place lol. Semantics
Lol
dissectors mincing over nitnoid language characteristics. children love to argue rather than communicate. they have a tough time generalizing and lack experience. or it's just a freak show wanting to cause trouble. it think it's the latter most of the time.
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tryptkaloids said:
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O0ZE said: Hammy!
I did it. word man. thanks for the help ya'll. still got lots more learnin to do, but i did it.
PROPS to everyone that gave me clear and concise help. couldn't have done it without this place!

i think they look dry. i got somebody taking care of them right now. pisses me off to think this dope went 2 days without misting my babies.
can i get a critique on what i can do to improve the health of future fruits from a new tub i'll be doing after this one finishes. what do these fruits tell you about how they grew?
Gorgeous fruits. Conditions are on point but the sub isn't as tight as it should be, but we already knew it's bacterial
awe thanks man. i really appreciate the comp. so surface conditions need improvement. misting / fanning / poly / temp. I'll work on it. my dirty dirty hands should be to blame. filthy things
Edited by O0ZE (03/07/18 10:12 AM)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: O0ZE]
#25045290 - 03/07/18 10:22 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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when real science people have tested the chemical composition of actives species.. are they just using whichever random shroom?
has an real work been done on testing the levels in a 'proven' isolate/clone? utsf only turned up hairbrained stuff.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: O0ZE]
#25045339 - 03/07/18 10:23 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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I dont know why that dude said conditions are off, they look on point to me. Thick stems, fully sized caps, beads on the walls, no caps cracking from drying out. They could use a little more fae but thats it. All you gotta work on is clean spawn.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#25045414 - 03/07/18 10:27 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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mushboy said: when real science people have tested the chemical composition of actives species.. are they just using whichever random shroom?
has an real work been done on testing the levels in a 'proven' isolate/clone? utsf only turned up hairbrained stuff.
Yea nobody knows. At least not in cult, Alan Rockefeller may know. Shoot him a I'm sure it's wild specimens though, so it's really a crapshoot. Als9, the idea of actives breaking down with high tem0s was only tested with pure actives, as far as I know those tests haven't been done on actual fruits. I predict the fruit protects the actives
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Steevo
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#25045541 - 03/07/18 10:42 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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We need some good reliable data to go off of. New info
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#25045597 - 03/07/18 11:07 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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mushboy said: when real science people have tested the chemical composition of actives species.. are they just using whichever random shroom?
has an real work been done on testing the levels in a 'proven' isolate/clone? utsf only turned up hairbrained stuff.
Here's a study: http://sci-hub.tw/https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0378874182900149?via%3Dihub
Doesn't look like they used an isolate.
"Mycelium obtained from the spore print was kept as a stock culture on various agars"
"Conclusions We found that the level of psilocybin and psilocin varies by over a factor of four among various cultures of Psilocybe cubensis grown under rigidly controlled conditions, while specimens from outside sources varied tenfold. It is clear that entheogenic (Ruck et al., 1979) and recreational users of this species have no way of predicting the amount of psilocybin and psilotin they are ingesting with a given dry weight of the mushroom. It thus seems likely that variations in the subjective experience will not only come from the effects of set and setting but will also stem in very real measure from large dosage differences."
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tryptkaloids
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So, what I gather is, ms cultures are a crapshoot? Do you know if any actual tests have been done in fruits for heat degradation? The only one I've seen was with pure psilocybin, not cubes.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#25045622 - 03/07/18 11:16 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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damn. took them 28days to colonize 10grams of rye.
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Humble Newcomer
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Steevo]
#25045635 - 03/07/18 11:19 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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The studies that were done in the beginning (1950s) we're thought to be psilocybe Mexicana or psilocybe caerulescens (sp?) from what I read.
One of these two is believed to be what Maria Sabina used in the mushroom ritual with Gordon Wasson and his "cameraman" at huatla de jiminez ( Many stories say the cameraman was an undercover cia operative since Gordon Wassons expedition was funded by the MK Ultra program. We know that now from declassified documents, this was a full 20 years before that program was spiking the us population with LSD, ruining many careers and even causing one guy to jump out of am office building window.
Fucked up stuff.
After the ceremony, Wasson wrote the now famous may 1957 issue of life magazine which supposedly was very open minded and scientific about his experiences with rhe mushroom. His editor at time coined the phrase "magic mushroom" and with that one issue the world was set on fire about it. The Beatles and hippies all showed up wanting to try, a year later Harvard's ethnobotnaist Richard Schultes goes out to Mexico and finds specimens to study they send it off to Albert Hofmann in Switzerland or wherever and he identifies and names psilocybin. A year later he is able to make it synthetically in the lab. This is the same guy that made LSD from ergot. He wrote a book at rhe end of his life. Just got it. Havent read it yet.
This stuff fascinates me. It's my guess that most studies stem from one of these two, since It seems to be where it began for white America and Europe. I read the govt kept studying past 1970 when shrooms were made schedule one or whatever up until 78 but no real research has been done til now.
Interesting to note though, somehow we know the Aztecs used "teonanacatl" at all their important ceremonies including the royal ceremonies and it was psilocybin in honey or chocolate.
Only in 1521 when Cortez and the conquistadors came and conquered the Aztecs and mixed Spanish with Aztec making mexican, and spreading European customs around did everything besides smoking and drinking disappear. Native people's in the rainforest even snuffed crushed up dmt plants. Fascinating stuff
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Ok, so my cakes still haven't pinned. Whats every1's thoughts on catastrophic fruiting. AKA rehydrating then shredding the cakes. I've heard that the cakes can be stimulated to fruit by this because the mushroom thinks its environment has been destroyed so REPRODUCE! Will this work? I assume not as well as just fruiting the cakes but I'll take anything. If there's a tek or general guidelines for this those would be great too.
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dormroomdevient said: Ok, so my cakes still haven't pinned. Whats every1's thoughts on catastrophic fruiting. AKA rehydrating then shredding the cakes. I've heard that the cakes can be stimulated to fruit by this because the mushroom thinks its environment has been destroyed so REPRODUCE! Will this work? I assume not as well as just fruiting the cakes but I'll take anything. If there's a tek or general guidelines for this those would be great too.
I don't know where you got this theory but there's only one way to find out if spawning them will work. What variety are They?
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There's a thread for it... spawning cakes to bulk.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Zero Nowhere]
#25046562 - 03/07/18 03:52 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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not that ..
this..
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I've heard that the cakes can be stimulated to fruit by this because the mushroom thinks its environment has been destroyed so REPRODUCE!
..at least i hope
Edited by mushboy (03/07/18 04:00 PM)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#25046578 - 03/07/18 04:01 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah I've never heard that before...if anything I imagine it would stimulate the myc to find more food (even if just crumbled into trays). I picture mycelium just chillin bein all fat and lazy from rapidly consuming nutes during fruiting, and acting like an ethiopian at a golden corral during colonization lol
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#25046680 - 03/07/18 04:39 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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mushboy said: damn. took them 28days to colonize 10grams of rye.
there is something wrong with that.
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Humble Newcomer said: Gordon Wasson
the father of psychedelics... what a human being. huh. he was looking for something and he found it. whatever it is. didn't really turn out like he'd hoped. deep.
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O0ZE
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dormroomdevient said: Ok, so my cakes still haven't pinned...
post some HD photos man. for my knowledge i want to see what your troubles look like. it'll also allow the experts to give you a fair shake. those cakes could be bone dry. keep the updates coming. i want to see you bring this thing back from the brink if it's not too far gone. past the event horizon.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: O0ZE]
#25046734 - 03/07/18 04:52 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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i wonder what hed say about us growing all these shrooms?
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