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mushboy
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: hamloaf]
#25025967 - 02/27/18 10:12 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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ahh. thank you for the clarification. i havent seen those yet. ill keep a look out.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy] 1
#25025973 - 02/27/18 10:15 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ham are you sure those swabs arent just stained? Everytime ive ever swabbed APE gills the swab comes out dark due to the deep blue staining of the bruised gills
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: natedawgnow]
#25026007 - 02/27/18 10:28 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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i only took a few swabs and i thought the dark was from bruised 'shroom juice' .. but they werent as dark as hams.
not to say anything but i got a false ape swab that was dark was fuck
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Germs
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: natedawgnow]
#25026074 - 02/27/18 11:04 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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natedawgnow said: Ham are you sure those swabs arent just stained? Everytime ive ever swabbed APE gills the swab comes out dark due to the deep blue staining of the bruised gills
of the 20 swabs I’ve made so far they all came out blue-dark
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Germs]
#25026282 - 02/27/18 12:55 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ok good to know, I didn’t think about the swab just picking up bruise juice. Maybe I’ll try AA+ or LGT. My other idea (pipedream?) is to mix PE and GH to get PE potency and golden spores, then UV irritate spore solution and screen for albinos/leucistics while retaining PE potency.
Getting a white, golden spore dropping shroom would be easiest with an established leucistic but missing that potency.
I’m not sure how well spore color and fruit body color are linked genetically, so I wonder if you could get yellow spores on a white fruit mixing APE and GH (in theory I suppose you could)
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fishermansjc said: Ok good to know, I didn’t think about the swab just picking up bruise juice. Maybe I’ll try AA+ or LGT. My other idea (pipedream?) is to mix PE and GH to get PE potency and golden spores, then UV irritate spore solution and screen for albinos/leucistics while retaining PE potency.
Getting a white, golden spore dropping shroom would be easiest with an established leucistic but missing that potency.
I’m not sure how well spore color and fruit body color are linked genetically, so I wonder if you could get yellow spores on a white fruit mixing APE and GH (in theory I suppose you could)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: hamloaf]
#25026361 - 02/27/18 01:44 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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cronicr said: You would want something luecistic not albino
Isn't APE really leucistic and not albino? It still has purple spores and some blue right?

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mushboy said: the fact that you can see the 'spore dust' means those are not albinos. albinos have albino spores.
those are leucistic


apes are real albinos cause the spores are clear(or whatever)AND i dont think they eject either.

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You are partially correct. APE isn't always albino. My APE spores came out dark.

The parents of APE are PF albino, and PE. Being that the APE is a mix of an albino parent (PF albino) and a non-albino parent (PE) sometimes APE will have albino spores, and sometimes they won't.
If you take an albino and do isolate work, you should be able to separate the leucistic from the true albino. True albino do sporolate, they are just clear spores.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Germs]
#25026392 - 02/27/18 02:01 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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fishermansjc said: Ok good to know, I didn’t think about the swab just picking up bruise juice. Maybe I’ll try AA+ or LGT. My other idea (pipedream?) is to mix PE and GH to get PE potency and golden spores, then UV irritate spore solution and screen for albinos/leucistics while retaining PE potency.
Getting a white, golden spore dropping shroom would be easiest with an established leucistic but missing that potency.
I’m not sure how well spore color and fruit body color are linked genetically, so I wonder if you could get yellow spores on a white fruit mixing APE and GH (in theory I suppose you could)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Doc9151]
#25026654 - 02/27/18 04:14 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Nothing luecistic about ape whatsoever snd yes swabs are bruised that isnt spires you are seeing
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dormroomdevient said: Hey Shroomery, I've been coming here for a couple months to guide my experiment and I've had great success so far. ATM I have 6 brf cakes (.5 pint) fully colonized. I then waited 7 days, dunked for 24hrs and rolled the cakes in dry verm. I put them in a SG FC with 5 inches moist perlite and 1/4th inch holes all 6 sides, 2 inches apart. I did not drill holes on the vertical sides below the perlite level, should i have done this? I read that side holes under perlite level will just dry it out. There ARE holes in the bottom. Tin foil under the cakes. I'm misting directly into the SG FC from 2 feet away 4 times a day and fanning with the lid for 60 seconds. I have a CFL desk light shining directly into the top of the SG FC 12 hours a day. The FC is lifted 3 inches off the table too. No fans in the room. 1 cake has grown a single pin that is coming along nice just slow (this cake has been in the chamber for almost 3 weeks the other 5 just got put in) The 1 pin has also been growing for 5 days and is 2 inches long. I guess what I'm asking is will the cake that has 1 pin grow some more pins before the end of this flush and is it alright to have some cakes ready to harvest and some just pinning in the same SG FC?
Also, I have an autoclave bag I was going to make up a bunch of brf substrate PC and inoculate it I the bag. After colonizing in the bag I want to move it to a tray and place that in my SG FC to do a pseudo-bulk grow. I was going to use dry verm as a 'casing' since I've heard cubes don' really need a true casing layer. Will this work? What are some potential pitfalls? Also I am aware this does not follow any standard bulk tek and straying from teks is not advised to beginners it's just I want to work with what I have.
Thanks Guys
ok, here are some pics of my setup and cakes. Any troubleshooting would be much appreciated. I tried to get up close to some of the cakes. I think a couple may be knotting up (is this correct) and then the other cake has this rusty coloring on it (i think this is just metabolites from the mycelium or is it a contam?). General thoughts are also welcomed, I'm just sorta nervous because these cakes seem reluctant to fruit and I have some money tied up in this venture. Also in the process of shifting cakes, I've knocked some over a couple times and they got some perlite on them. I tried to get off as much as I could but there are still little bits on the cakes, is this a problem?






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Asura
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: cronicr]
#25026840 - 02/27/18 05:26 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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cronicr said: Nothing luecistic about ape whatsoever snd yes swabs are bruised that isnt spires you are seeing
Please elucidate. This is very interesting.
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I don't see any knots, but they could be there, how long has it been since you put them in the fc? You could definitely fit more in there, don't worry about crowding. Unlike plants, mushrooms love company, plus having more cakes helps maintain your RH.
Try to get finer verm, the finer it is the better it retains moisture and holds to the cake, just make sure it's not powdery or it could "seal" the cake.
I can't tell from the pics, but if you're seeing some yellow (specifically yellow droplets) it is probably bacteria, often times (especially this early) metabolites are a result of bacterial presence. The only problem with bacteria is it weakens the mycelium (increased possibility of early/immediate mold contamination) and potentially reduces yield, as long as it isn't dusty looking or changes color you should be fine. If it is dusty looking and yellow/rusty looking then you need to throw it out asap, it could be aspergillus. Aspergillus sporolates yellow/orange-ish and can cause respiratory problems.
Post more detailed pics of the rusty looking cakes, more than likely it is metabolites or the result of being too dry. The last thing you want to do is increase your mold spore load and potentially make yourself sick.
On that note, most molds you will encounter are relatively harmless unless you are allergic (trichoderma, penicillium, mucor etc) so don't freak out about the possibility of aspergillus. Afaik it is a relatively uncommon mold, and with your set up you are very unlikely to have health issues due to exposure.
As long as you get 1 fruit that produces viable spores (almost guaranteed with MS) you can continue to grow indefinitely.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: hamloaf]
#25026961 - 02/27/18 05:57 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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cronicr said: You would want something luecistic not albino
Isn't APE really leucistic and not albino? It still has purple spores and some blue right?

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mushboy said: the fact that you can see the 'spore dust' means those are not albinos. albinos have albino spores.
those are leucistic


apes are real albinos cause the spores are clear(or whatever)AND i dont think they eject either.

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lucy golden teacher
You are partially correct. APE isn't always albino. My APE spores came out dark.

The parents of APE are PF albino, and PE. Being that the APE is a mix of an albino parent (PF albino) and a non-albino parent (PE) sometimes APE will have albino spores, and sometimes they won't.
the coloration is from the bruising coming off on the swab. it is not from spores. go ahead and swab the inside of a stem and see what color your swab turns. spoiler alert: it will take on the color of the bruising. which is blue-black when it sets.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Asura]
#25026995 - 02/27/18 06:12 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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cronicr said: Nothing luecistic about ape whatsoever snd yes swabs are bruised that isnt spires you are seeing
Please elucidate. This is very interesting.
Ape is a true albino so its spores are clear due to loss of pigmentation unlike luecism where it is a reduction in pigmentation so your spores still stay the proper color, this is why if you want to get a white fruit with gold spores you need to go the luecistic route because any albino will indeed have a loss of pigment and have clear spores.
Also ape and gh are pretty notorious for being on the low end of yield so that novelty wouldnt fly far IMO
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: cronicr]
#25027017 - 02/27/18 06:25 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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but the ape has that potency tho
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#25027022 - 02/27/18 06:29 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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So does pe and also yields better
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#25027028 - 02/27/18 06:30 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Cron throwin that knowledge down.
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Asura
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: cronicr]
#25027031 - 02/27/18 06:33 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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cronicr said: Nothing luecistic about ape whatsoever snd yes swabs are bruised that isnt spires you are seeing
Please elucidate. This is very interesting.
Ape is a true albino so its spores are clear due to loss of pigmentation unlike luecism where it is a reduction in pigmentation so your spores still stay the proper color, this is why if you want to get a white fruit with gold spores you need to go the luecistic route because any albino will indeed have a loss of pigment and have clear spores.
Also ape and gh are pretty notorious for being on the low end of yield so that novelty wouldnt fly far IMO
Thanks cron Not really interested in yield as much as just growing stuff that interests me.
Edit: except for pans!
Edited by Asura (02/27/18 06:33 PM)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: 00Burnout]
#25027033 - 02/27/18 06:33 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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the bag is a 3:1 verm brf mix TBH it does look a bit compacted now that I look at it. So this is my idea, roast me if I'm wrong. Would I be able to break up this bag, pull out the substrate, chop it up real good so it isn't compacted, and then follow PF tek with .5 pint jars? I would obviously PC again cause I'm sure it would be full of contams. This seems to make sense in my mind but I also have 1/1000 the understanding of growing shrooms as you guys and gals have lol.
As my handle suggests I'm a student and a bio major. I can't help but hypothesize left and right so rather than run experiments and waste my time and money I'll c if you guys have ever tested the same ideas.
1) When making LC (ik beginners not advised)first I wipe down the whole inside of the jar and the cap with a alcohol wipe then I've been filling a jar with honey (proper weight according multiple LC teks) then adding as much BOILING water as I will need for the LC then putting a cap on it, flipping it upside down while covering the holes on the lid with a pencil eraser (dorm lyfe) and then letting it cool naturally on my desk. The boiling water dissolves the honey real quick and once its cooled down I knock it up. Now b4 any1 skins me alive, this has worked on 3 different LC for me and I even tested all the LC in brf pf tek and it worked no contams just nice myc. So what I'm asking is will this consistently work or did I just get lucky.
2) Tin foil under the cakes or cakes on a raised wire rack? Which is best?
3) I poked an undone wire hanger through the perlite via the holes on the side and bottom of the SGFC which made a bunch of little tunnels in the perlite into which I sprayed a shit ton of water. My misting bottle also squirts a single stream if I turn the nose. Its like a direct injection of water into the perlite, doesn't evap as quick as misting the surface so I would be using it in addition to regular misting but I think it would serve to increase airflow, the 'tunnels' would facilitate more airflow and the water injections would increase perlite saturation so it doesn't go dry too quick. Good idea or bad?
Thanks for bearing with me guys.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Asura]
#25027042 - 02/27/18 06:39 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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APE is cross of PF albino & original penis envy. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5194890#5194890 When I grew out APE, white caps mottled with orange appeared.
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