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Mycolorado
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: MooseShroom] 1
#25024076 - 02/26/18 02:35 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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MooseShroom said: So I've been having issues with some kind of contaminant where water presses grain against the glass. PC'ing for 90 vs 120 minutes didn't seem to make a difference. Could improper oat prep be causing this? I'd been following bods prep but tended to go for 45 minutes instead of 30. Gonna try a 20 minute hard boil next time to see if it makes a difference, but wanted a second set of opinions.
Sounds like you're loading them before they're dry enough on the outside. I run a fan on my oats for at least 15 min or so after the boil, turning often and load them bone-dry on the outside. After running them in the PC they come out looking wetter...just trying to illustrate how dry they need to be on the outside before they get sterilized...
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tryptkaloids
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: van hatton] 1
#25024083 - 02/26/18 02:36 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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MooseShroom said: So I've been having issues with some kind of contaminant where water presses grain against the glass. PC'ing for 90 vs 120 minutes didn't seem to make a difference. Could improper oat prep be causing this? I'd been following bods prep but tended to go for 45 minutes instead of 30. Gonna try a 20 minute hard boil next time to see if it makes a difference, but wanted a second set of opinions.
Wet grains=bacteria. Try longer drain times or shorter boil. Either should work. Maybe a combo of the two. Each bag of oats and tap is different and will work differentlyQuote:
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van hatton said: So when we cook grains.. The white core should not be there prior to draining or is that too cooked.
I know we want maximum internal hydration. But does the white core need to be there still? If not would loss of the white core in grains be maximum hydration?
Just looking at some of my jars and confused about the white core and moisture content.
I think the idea behind the whites being there is it allows for excess moisture to be absorbed.
Fuck that. Dam misinformation 
My grains go in dry on the outside. Takes me 5 minutes to steam dry.
It's a failsafe for noobish wet grains
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MooseShroom
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mycolorado]
#25024096 - 02/26/18 02:39 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Alright. I'll try both next time to get them more dry. I would usually let them sit for a few hours in a colander after they were done cooking (shaking occasionally). Paper towel had some tiny spots of moisture but not many.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: MooseShroom] 1
#25024108 - 02/26/18 02:42 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Besides wbs, my grains go in bone dry on the outside. steam dry them then salad spin em real quick.
Takes 20min to go from dumped to loaded.
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Mycolorado
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy] 1
#25024118 - 02/26/18 02:46 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah, I'm running whole oats which definitely require a tad more drying but in the end, it's all about the same...20-30 min from boil dump to PC load. Guess it would have been wise to establish which grain we were referring to....fucking details.
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Appalachian Brony
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#25024128 - 02/26/18 02:51 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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mushboy said: Besides wbs, my grains go in bone dry on the outside. steam dry them then salad spin em real quick.
Takes 20min to go from dumped to loaded.
I might have to grab a salad spinner
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00Burnout
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My oats steam off in about 15-20 minutes but I spread them out across a large window screen and turn them every few minutes if I'm doing more than 6qts at a time. The further they're spread out the faster they dry.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy] 1
#25024162 - 02/26/18 03:07 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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mushboy said: Besides wbs, my grains go in bone dry on the outside. steam dry them then salad spin em real quick.
Takes 20min to go from dumped to loaded.
It's all in the prep. My wheat goes in pretty wet
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: MooseShroom] 1
#25024168 - 02/26/18 03:10 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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MooseShroom said: Alright. I'll try both next time to get them more dry. I would usually let them sit for a few hours in a colander after they were done cooking (shaking occasionally). Paper towel had some tiny spots of moisture but not many.
Try one then the other. You may make them too dry.be weary when tweaking grain prep
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: MooseShroom] 1
#25024214 - 02/26/18 03:30 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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tryptkaloids said:
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MooseShroom said: So I've been having issues with some kind of contaminant where water presses grain against the glass. PC'ing for 90 vs 120 minutes didn't seem to make a difference. Could improper oat prep be causing this? I'd been following bods prep but tended to go for 45 minutes instead of 30. Gonna try a 20 minute hard boil next time to see if it makes a difference, but wanted a second set of opinions.
Wet grains=bacteria. Try longer drain times or shorter boil. Either should work. Maybe a combo of the two. Each bag of oats and tap is different and will work differentlyQuote:
van hatton said:
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tryptkaloids said:
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van hatton said: So when we cook grains.. The white core should not be there prior to draining or is that too cooked.
I know we want maximum internal hydration. But does the white core need to be there still? If not would loss of the white core in grains be maximum hydration?
Just looking at some of my jars and confused about the white core and moisture content.
I think the idea behind the whites being there is it allows for excess moisture to be absorbed.
Fuck that. Dam misinformation 
My grains go in dry on the outside. Takes me 5 minutes to steam dry.
It's a failsafe for noobish wet grains
It is also pretty standard for small grain teks like millet or wbs
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MooseShroom said: So I've been having issues with some kind of contaminant where water presses grain against the glass. PC'ing for 90 vs 120 minutes didn't seem to make a difference. Could improper oat prep be causing this? I'd been following bods prep but tended to go for 45 minutes instead of 30. Gonna try a 20 minute hard boil next time to see if it makes a difference, but wanted a second set of opinions.
A pic would be easier to judge but if your grain is going in dry on the outside it should come out that way as well
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: cronicr]
#25024236 - 02/26/18 03:37 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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cronicr said: A pic would be easier to judge but if your grain is going in dry on the outside it should come out that way as well
I'll take pictures the next time I prepare them. They feel fairly dry going in but I wouldn't consider them bone dry. I'll do the 20 minute hard boil instead of the 35-45 I was doing to see if it makes a difference. Then I'll make adjustments from there. I feel like I'm getting my agar mostly down, but my grain prep is still sloppy.
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Mycolorado
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: cronicr] 1
#25024237 - 02/26/18 03:38 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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MooseShroom
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mycolorado]
#25024259 - 02/26/18 03:48 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah those look a lot better than when they come out of the pressure cooker for me. Most definitely need to work on my prep.
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00Burnout
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: MooseShroom] 1
#25024291 - 02/26/18 04:05 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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I might need to reduce my boil time a bit, I have a bit more burst grains, but the mycelium doesn't seem to mind. I guess I'll just leave it be until I run into problems.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: 00Burnout]
#25024621 - 02/26/18 06:28 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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You boil, if you're literally boiling the jars, that's where you are going wrong.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Doc9151] 1
#25024675 - 02/26/18 07:01 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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If that was directed at me, no I don't boil the jars...just the grain. I do a 30 minute boil but it takes a minute to get to boiling with my shitty stove so I'm probably reaching hydration sooner, this wasn't an issue before my main burner crapped out.
I live in a rental so I'm not fixing it, I'll be moving out this fall anyway. Landlord already knew the stove was having issues before we moved in...they're the town's slum lords
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tryptkaloids
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: cronicr] 1
#25024743 - 02/26/18 07:32 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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cronicr said:its also pretty standard for small grain teks like wbs or millet
My bad, I haven't used it in awhile. Gave up on that shit fast, instead of fixing my grain preps I just kept changing grains and found wheat is easy as fuck. I should expand and use this wbs I have laying around
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MooseShroom
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#25024850 - 02/26/18 08:24 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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tryptkaloids said:
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cronicr said:its also pretty standard for small grain teks like wbs or millet
My bad, I haven't used it in awhile. Gave up on that shit fast, instead of fixing my grain preps I just kept changing grains and found wheat is easy as fuck. I should expand and use this wbs I have laying around
Do you use wheat bran or whole wheat? I'm tempted to give wheat a shot after I finish my bag of oats to see which I like better.
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RomeoPapa
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids] 1
#25024875 - 02/26/18 08:34 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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My current grain is wheat. It's the shit compared to oats. It might be because it is seed and it has been dehusked. The oats i used had the husk on it and i could never get the water content right. Never used wbs cause it always Looked like a pain in the ass to work with.
Rye isn't available around my parts and I'm paying extra for it.
Edit: 60lbs of wheat seed is less than 14 bucks in my neck of the woods. Can't go wrong at that price.
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tryptkaloids
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: MooseShroom] 1
#25024876 - 02/26/18 08:34 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Whole wheat from winco bulk section
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