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Humble Newcomer
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mateja]
#25014788 - 02/22/18 10:41 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yeah I'm hella skeptical too, because for one there's no conscious "fuck it" being said, and a depressed organism lays down letting trich trample in as violins play.
Even after a second flush, which I agree, in our home cultivated methods of a small surface area in a container, the myc knows it has no other nutritional source, it's grown our fibers in all directions looking, do it's fully putting out 200% effort into pushing out mushrooms and spreading genes.
But all one would have to do is put down some pasteurized cardboard or grains or what have you and it would colonize the scraps in an attempt to continually live like it does outside.
Further, RR used to rinse all the trich spores off his shiitake blocks daily with a garden hose. So if there was any truth to the trich spores simply germinating and stealing enough nutrition to make it worth mentioning, which is what I think you're suggesting, you could easily prevent that.
And I don't think that's true anyway, not past a negligable degree anyway.
Just a noob thinking out loud
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Humble Newcomer
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I think if enough nutrition was coming in that the mycelium would keep it's defenses up. And I think it would continually fruit and colonize in perpetuity. Ferather and I had a discussion about this before, the perpetual flowerpot mushroom bed just feed it cardboard scraps. It would work the same, no?
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tryptkaloids
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Maybe for some species. If an organism can it will always try to live forever. But most cannot. Adding nutrient rich anything is asking for mold. After a couple flushes cubes won't colonize. Period.
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I'm stealing this for my sig. Nothing I say is solid or backed by science. Just assumption. I am bad at sounding like I know what I'm talking about when I barely do. People tend to believe whatever bs I spew because of my conviction and registration date.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#25014836 - 02/22/18 11:06 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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We all are quick to believe especially when we're new. Me, I sound like an asshole when body language and tone can't be deciphered. Hence my name 
I was wondering if cubensis would be different, or if any coprophilic mushroom would be different. It may be a woodlover ability to sustain itself like that.
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Yea, idk about various types of mushroom and,now they work. He'll I dont even know,how cubes work, just know what they want. Quote:
Humble Newcomer said: We all are quick to believe especially when we're new. Me, I sound like an asshole when body language and tone can't be deciphered. Hence my name 
I was wondering if cubensis would be different, or if any coprophilic mushroom would be different. It may be a woodlover ability to sustain itself like that.
I'm sorry if anyone has ended up holding my words as facts. I don't know shit and more than half the time I'm spewing shit from the top of my head. I'm not actively researching shit while talking about it. Its usually shit I read once. And,we all know how credible that source is. Sometimes a discussion will line up with what I just read and it makes me feel good to be able to say for sure. But even recent shit isnt guarenteed because it's likely a similar case
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#25014858 - 02/22/18 11:17 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Nbd, just being around and active in the boards we absorb a lot. Knowledge comes with time around here whether you try or not.
I used to believe post numbers have a lot to do with knowledge, in many cases they do, but I recently helped troubleshoot a pf grow with a guy with 1700 pub posts. Doesn't matter to me, truth is there's some badass threads in here I can never find, dehydrating your own meals for camping, hammock hangers thread, maybe there's a guitarist thread who knows. This place is huge and I know I don't fully take advantage of it
At the end of the day it's on each of us to question what we read and compare it oto other sources or run an experiment. I think it's fun to think out loud and guess. It's fascinating stuff
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I just hope I didn't lead anyone astray... I'm here to help so the thought of passing falsehoods makes me cringe. I don't know why I do it so much lol, I gotta internalize it more because I don't even notice. If josex didn't say something to me months ago I wouldn't even think about it now.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#25014879 - 02/22/18 11:30 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Unless I missed something I don't think you could have. It's not like you told someone to take their only syringe and knock up one jar in open air. That would be having an impact.
Guessing out loud that trich spores are predatory and vicious? Pretty plausible. Guessing that they're everywhere so they could blanket our grows and germinate in the moisture we rely on to create pinning conditions on the surface?
The only thing some idiot may have done based on our discussion was to try and rinse off their mono to get rid of trich spores like RR does to his shiitake. But that would be on me for bringing that up, and who knows, maybe his sub was thirsty.
See this is why weekly meetings as a local shroomery board would be easier than intenet shit I'm the same way careful about how I word stuff in case some one reads something wrong.
No worries brother
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Mushrooms are like any living thing in that they have an immune system, a healthy organism has a stronger immune system and can fight off infections. A less healthy organism will succumb and sometimes die. Basically trich is like a really nasty flu virus that kills children and old people and any non vigorously growing myc is like an old person or someone with aids.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: AyePlus]
#25014948 - 02/23/18 12:25 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Humble Newcomer said: Unless I missed something I don't think you could have. It's not like you told someone to take their only syringe and knock up one jar in open air. That would be having an impact.
Guessing out loud that trich spores are predatory and vicious? Pretty plausible. Guessing that they're everywhere so they could blanket our grows and germinate in the moisture we rely on to create pinning conditions on the surface?
The only thing some idiot may have done based on our discussion was to try and rinse off their mono to get rid of trich spores like RR does to his shiitake. But that would be on me for bringing that up, and who knows, maybe his sub was thirsty.
See this is why weekly meetings as a local shroomery board would be easier than intenet shit I'm the same way careful about how I word stuff in case some one reads something wrong.
No worries brother
I didn't necessarily mean just this convo. I don't like thinking that I may have spread misinformation.
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AyePlus said: Mushrooms are like any living thing in that they have an immune system, a healthy organism has a stronger immune system and can fight off infections. A less healthy organism will succumb and sometimes die. Basically trich is like a really nasty flu virus that kills children and old people and any non vigorously growing myc is like an old person or someone with aids.
Well said
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mateja]
#25015036 - 02/23/18 01:47 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Mateah said: If those green molds are endospores that are awakening after 4 weeks inside the grain then different sterilization times will have different contamination times as well. If the green eminates from another source than the inside of the grain then I will pursue inquiry in that direction instead. But for now I would like to see what happens with grain after being sterilized for 45min at 15 PSI and left alone, and compare that to the other sterilization times.
This is not what happens. This is why I am saying leave them out for x amount of time and then use them. Trich will not suddenly appear in a closed off jar. It's not possible. Trichoderma sporulates (green) and falls onto shit when you kick stuff up. This is why I was so hard on you about spawning bacterial spawn because it can dramatically fuck up your future grows. Anyway, this is the reason I'm saying leaving the jars alone completely likely won't show you anything. But you're the one doing the work so do it as you please.
I personally am interested in how long you can reliably leave grains out before enough shit happens to them (endospores germinating, drying out) that they're unreliable as spawn.
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That inevitably will vary from each batch of grain to the next. I've had some jars last weeks or months or whatever, and some so thick with endospores that agar wouldn't leap off onto at all, inoc'd as soon as it was ready. So even if you find a grain you like, the producer might eventually have a bad season or you might get a batch that was in unfavorable conditions prior to you buying it. If you're not having bacteria problems, keep using the same stuff, if you are consistently having issues, try a different grain. One option is getting grain that's actually supposed to be eaten by humans. More expensive, sure, but it's got a lot more stringent QA process than horse oats or whatever else.
I'm using "emergency food" wheat grains presently, after oats did me wrong enough times.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inocuole]
#25015115 - 02/23/18 03:17 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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[url=I'm using "emergency food" wheat grains presently, after oats did me wrong enough times.]
Inocule how would you compare wheat to rye? I've never even seen rye except in pics. It looks similar, but I'm wondering if it's basically the same thing as far as grain prep goes? Thanks
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inocuole]
#25015138 - 02/23/18 03:41 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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on switching grains. I had half sack of unfixable dirty grains ive tossed.
Agreed on Mushboy presterelized grain jars observation kept for months. Its safe to go to the dry side and keep them in a low humidty environtment for better storage dryin them more abit.
unsterile grain stock can be safely stored upto 25% wet basis moisture content. And upto 33% dry basis moisture content. The more dried the longer shelf life.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: pacmanbreed]
#25015277 - 02/23/18 06:25 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Bustin out the 20 gallon brew kettle and 75X today to do spawn bag prep like an (almost) big boy.
Feeling good about the last few weeks worth of trials getting them right and now it's time to do 6. Not quite to the 'hamcram' stage but closer for sure.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Crispykoot]
#25015559 - 02/23/18 09:43 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Alright fellas. Hopefully you can help again. I'm flying by the seat of my pants here.
(back ground: first grow, trying a bit of every technique as I go)
Current perplexity:
I was going to birth a few of my cakes into a FC, than I realized that this is probably not going to be my thing (cakes/fc), so I was like fuck the FC, don't have a drill, not going to use it in the future, etc... ( I have mini-tubs and mostly colonized grains I'm waiting on)...
Anways...I had 2 cakes that i dunked and soaked so I made a little tupperware with perlite and stuck them in a grocery bag, not expecting much because I realize my FC is not doing what it's supposed to.
Lo and Behold, 3 days in, I have a pin (my first pin ever:D) on one of these cakes.
My questions are...what do I need to do to optimize this situation and cultivate these pins? By what mechanism of my ghetto set-up triggered this or is my set up less ghetto than it appears?
3 days seems to be quick for a cake to start pinning or am I misinterpreting what I've read (was just further along colonizing than I anticipated)?
Thanks for all the help guys. This is getting exciting 
edit: I cooked some coir in a cooler and used about 3% of it. It has been just sitting there. Will it be ok say...7 days of chilling in a cooler?
Edited by flowstate (02/23/18 09:49 AM)
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stareatclouds
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: flowstate]
#25015795 - 02/23/18 11:29 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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The perlite is to keep the humidity levels up. By spraying, you keep the perlite moist, as well as the cakes. The SGFC setup is to promote lots of air exchange, which is a major pinning trigger (evaporation). Ideally, you want your substrate to remain in high humidity with constant evaporation. There's many ways to achieve this. If you do this, whether with a Tupperware setup and a grocery bag as a tent, you'll make mushrooms happy. So just make sure the cakes don't dry out or get too little air and you're good.
3 days is fine. It's hard to gauge with BRF cakes because some don't need a full week to consolidate. When I did PF Tek, I had a few jars with in-vitro pins when I hadn't finished the consolidation period. So if you see pins, keep it moving and turn them into healthy adults. 
Glad to have you on board.
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Just spawned some PE and I’m a little uneasy. My first time pastuerizing at home (I generally just set the autoclave to 165 and let it cook for 100 min or so) and I went with the water bath in a pot method (heat at medium boil until internal temp is 140 then turn off, put on lid and let sit ON until cool).
I’m spawning some APE, Redboy and AA+ with the same batch of bulk, so fingers crossed! I wanna get these going so I can do a giveaway at the end of March
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fishermansjc said: Just spawned some PE and I’m a little uneasy. My first time pastuerizing at home (I generally just set the autoclave to 165 and let it cook for 100 min or so) and I went with the water bath in a pot method (heat at medium boil until internal temp is 140 then turn off, put on lid and let sit ON until cool).
I’m spawning some APE, Redboy and AA+ with the same batch of bulk, so fingers crossed! I wanna get these going so I can do a giveaway at the end of March 
Pretty sure you know what your doing but did the temp stay between 140-160 for at least an hour?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Steevo]
#25015845 - 02/23/18 11:51 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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I know every setup is different, but I feel like keeping the heat on until it's 140 is way too high and it'd rise to like 200 or something easy. Did you keep a thermometer in the whole time and check on it?
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