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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: stareatclouds]
    #25009296 - 02/20/18 08:40 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

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Am I the only one who doesn't think 4 days is enough time for 1/2" pins in a monotub to mature enough to be a problem? If you can put it in a much cooler room, go for it. But I think 4 days is fine.



I completely agree


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: cronicr]
    #25009298 - 02/20/18 08:42 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

I have decided against a mono-sitter.  I haven't seen what will happen to fruits or the monotub substrate surface when left unpicked for too long, but it sounds like you all don't think it's a big deal.  How long past prime do fruits rot or break down?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: madhatter2]
    #25009303 - 02/20/18 08:45 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

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I have decided against a mono-sitter.  I haven't seen what will happen to fruits or the monotub substrate surface when left unpicked for too long, but it sounds like you all don't think it's a big deal.  How long past prime do fruits rot or break down?




The biggest deal is when you expand beyond one person in your organization.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: madhatter2]
    #25009309 - 02/20/18 08:47 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

And stareatclouds, you're probably right on the timing of all this.  I appreciate the brainstorming since I've not been through this.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: madhatter2]
    #25009428 - 02/20/18 09:50 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

There's 0% chance your fruits will rot in that 4 days. As I and my understudy cronicr said, it's likely a perfect time to leave them alone. The worst thing that happens in 4 days is they mature and drop some spores. The major downside is spores usually make the fruits taste worse. Another potential downside that is debated is spores dropping signals to the mycelium that the life cycle is over and will stop/slow future flushes.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: stareatclouds]
    #25009512 - 02/20/18 10:47 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

I guess I should ask here?

I'm planning on using lime pasteurization on a bunch of newspapers.  Is this even a good idea:lol: I know it works with straw but that's straw not paper.

Should I do that or just good old heat.?


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Chuck Norris once roundhouse kicked a monotub that wasn't pinning fast enough. The force of the kick rearranged the genetics of the mushrooms, we now call them Penis Envy.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: stareatclouds]
    #25009524 - 02/20/18 10:56 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

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As I and my understudy cronicr said....




Haha, thank you both for dropping the wisdom.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: hamloaf]
    #25010050 - 02/21/18 08:17 AM (5 years, 11 months ago)

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...Forget about NPK when dealing with fungi..




I haven't forgotten, and I am still waiting for counter evidence that mycelium only need carbon, and no other basic elements.
Also your discussion proposal (not incriminating) suggests mycelium produce other elements from just carbon.

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Can you please elaborate your post, I will explain how even using spawn changes NPK ratios.

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...Mushrooms are not plants.




What does this mean, most people know mycelium are not plants. However they both produce enzymes, and absorb solubles.
Most organisms require the same set of basic elements, in a usable-digestable form, this info is not new.

Both mycelium and plant roots absorb solubles, through their cell walls, to feed.
Bacteria are also not plants, they still feed in much the same way.

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How using grain spawn effects C:N ratios:

Here is my quick guide for wheat bran and wood, you can see that ratio changes.
Above that post is evidence added NPK improved overall growth.

50/50 dry coir to dry grain will have a similar C:N ratio.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Ferather] * 1
    #25010068 - 02/21/18 08:31 AM (5 years, 11 months ago)

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Ferather said:
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hamloaf said:
...Mushrooms are not plants.




What does this mean




It means they belong to a the kingdom of fungi, not plantae.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Munchauzen]
    #25010072 - 02/21/18 08:32 AM (5 years, 11 months ago)

:smile:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: van hatton]
    #25010075 - 02/21/18 08:34 AM (5 years, 11 months ago)

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van hatton said:
I guess I should ask here?

I'm planning on using lime pasteurization on a bunch of newspapers.  Is this even a good idea:lol: I know it works with straw but that's straw not paper.

Should I do that or just good old heat.?





Ferather  your the paper masta. Whatcha think?


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Tmethyl said:
Chuck Norris once roundhouse kicked a monotub that wasn't pinning fast enough. The force of the kick rearranged the genetics of the mushrooms, we now call them Penis Envy.

Caps McGee said:
:thumbsup:
Fun part is figuring out what works best for you


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: van hatton]
    #25010091 - 02/21/18 08:44 AM (5 years, 11 months ago)

I don't suggest that, after testing and research, I found paper pellets contained various types of bacteria.
The pH change is more "selective" than "cleaning", many bacteria will be fine with it.

How much paper are you using? 25-30 min in a PC worked best.

Tip: Various bacteria can decay cellulose.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Ferather]
    #25010103 - 02/21/18 08:52 AM (5 years, 11 months ago)

One bundle lol. Sterilization would be pointless on something so big.  I'm thinking heat for most consistent result.


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Tmethyl said:
Chuck Norris once roundhouse kicked a monotub that wasn't pinning fast enough. The force of the kick rearranged the genetics of the mushrooms, we now call them Penis Envy.

Caps McGee said:
:thumbsup:
Fun part is figuring out what works best for you


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: van hatton]
    #25010115 - 02/21/18 09:00 AM (5 years, 11 months ago)

Fair enough, got for heat pasteurization then, good luck.

:thumbup:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Ferather]
    #25010134 - 02/21/18 09:14 AM (5 years, 11 months ago)

:cheers:

Now for the daily paranoid post from van.

Transferred a few things on 2\19. Some not showing any growth that I can tell.  Should I wait or take more transfers before the original plate is beyond Fucked :lol:

Edit.  1 out of 4 of the plates are showing amazing growth.


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Tmethyl said:
Chuck Norris once roundhouse kicked a monotub that wasn't pinning fast enough. The force of the kick rearranged the genetics of the mushrooms, we now call them Penis Envy.

Caps McGee said:
:thumbsup:
Fun part is figuring out what works best for you


Edited by van hatton (02/21/18 09:17 AM)


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: van hatton] * 1
    #25010194 - 02/21/18 09:45 AM (5 years, 11 months ago)

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van hatton said:
I guess I should ask here?

I'm planning on using lime pasteurization on a bunch of newspapers.  Is this even a good idea:lol: I know it works with straw but that's straw not paper.

Should I do that or just good old heat.?



I've heard of people getting away with untreated newspaper. I wouldn't do it tho
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:cheers:

Now for the daily paranoid post from van.

Transferred a few things on 2\19. Some not showing any growth that I can tell.  Should I wait or take more transfers before the original plate is beyond Fucked :lol:

Edit.  1 out of 4 of the plates are showing amazing growth.



I bet you could get away with transfering from an overgrown plate of it comes down to it


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #25010240 - 02/21/18 10:08 AM (5 years, 11 months ago)

Bacteria tis the problem soon followed by mold.  I think they may be fine. The transfers that is.
I got 11 clones to choose from :lol:

Interesting.  Right now they would be colonizing inside.  Then once it's not shit out they'll be thrown outside.  I'll try one without anything because curious.
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Tmethyl said:
Chuck Norris once roundhouse kicked a monotub that wasn't pinning fast enough. The force of the kick rearranged the genetics of the mushrooms, we now call them Penis Envy.

Caps McGee said:
:thumbsup:
Fun part is figuring out what works best for you


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: van hatton]
    #25010347 - 02/21/18 11:12 AM (5 years, 11 months ago)

What's the usable time frame of the shake test before spawning?

I never used to do this so I'm gonna start. I've got a few ape jars that are almost 100% again after36hrs.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Changa Alchemist]
    #25010354 - 02/21/18 11:15 AM (5 years, 11 months ago)

I wouldn't spawn anything past 48 hrs. But that's me. Ideally 24 is the aim


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #25010455 - 02/21/18 11:59 AM (5 years, 11 months ago)

You wouldn't use a clean jar you shook at 100% if it sat for 2 days?


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