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Munchauzen


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Munchauzen]
#25006860 - 02/19/18 10:29 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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I literally wrote a tek on spawning cakes to bulk back in like 2015 then deleted it cause I said f spreadin that nonsense
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Mateja


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Munchauzen]
#25006878 - 02/19/18 10:36 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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I only hope that in what I´m doing is in no way perceived as a disservice to new growers or that my comments about these methods are blasphemous or dishonest.
I have trough experience found out that it is much easier to get above 50g per cake per flush inside a tub rather then inside a SGFC. I have since trough other growers experience come to find out that not only is this method very reliable, it also produces very consistent results, like 70g fresh per cake in the first flush.
Can anyone claim that new growers will have consistent success with PF+SGFC and also consistent results? No way this can be said about noobs and SGFC cakes.
I´m not trying to make life harder for new growers, I´m trying to make life easier for them. I´m not making them jump over important steps, I´m not teaching them how to cultivate bacteria. I´m just showing them a way how they can stresh their BRF cakes much much further than the traditional way inside the SGFC. Hopefully these growers will accumulate enough knowledge after some time that they will be able to fruit BRF cakes inside SGFC as successfully as inside a tub.
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Mateja


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Munchauzen]
#25006882 - 02/19/18 10:37 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Munchauzen said: I literally wrote a tek on spawning cakes to bulk back in like 2015 then deleted it cause I said f spreadin that nonsense 
So should I not make that write up now? I planned on making one
The last thing I want to do is spread nonsense around mush cult..
My goal is to make this place better and more efficient, that´s why I´m gathering data and making polls and experiments and what not. My goal is really not to take this place backwards.
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Edited by Mateja (02/19/18 10:39 PM)
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mushboy
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mateja]
#25006884 - 02/19/18 10:39 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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no he ment he should of made a shoebox thread instead
make the write up dood. its a great way to collect your thoughts. even if you dont post it publicly
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Mateja


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#25006892 - 02/19/18 10:41 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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But wouldn´t that be dishonest of me If I know a very good way of spawning cakes to bulk and not sharing that info with growers that are interested in doing the same until they move over to grain? I really don´t see any harm in that, on the contrary as I said I think that information should be available to anyone because it is a legitimate way of growing. Especially for new growers.
I promise if I make that thread there will be ZERO inflammatory stuff in the OP, it will strictly be informative no nonsense easy to understand guide from cakes to bulk.
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Edited by Mateja (02/19/18 10:43 PM)
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mushroomnate
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#25006895 - 02/19/18 10:43 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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 I do brf to bulk because it fits my needs.I don't own a PC as of now,My space is limited(SGFC takes up space),The supplies needed are minimal(jars,verm,brf).But really,I am just no good with cakes fruited as cakes. Never have been.In the past,I would just crumble a cake and case it in order to get a decent harvest. I like the learning experience you get from doing cakes to bulk.And with coir as bulk sub you can "move up" without having to buy any more equipment than what you already have.(No PC needed) As far as yield,IME and results,I can pretty much count on approx 70g wet per half pint cake spawned first flush.Fruiting cakes never yielded ME that much.Contamination has not been an issue for me when spawning to coir/verm. This is all in MY opinion and experience.I'm not trying to push anyone one way or the other.Just sharing.Everyone has their own way that they like to do it.
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cronicr



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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mateja]
#25006897 - 02/19/18 10:44 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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I have been playing with cakes for over a decade my dude, it is fine that you disagree but it is as simple as misting a couple times a day it isnt rocket science you are just replacing moisture.
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Munchauzen


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mateja]
#25006908 - 02/19/18 10:49 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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i dont care one way or another what you do. this isn't like a super serious topic for me. im just puttin my 2 cents out there. but in case yall mofos thought i was lyin bout writing a tek and deleting it, i still have the pics uploaded
           
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hamloaf
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Munchauzen]
#25006910 - 02/19/18 10:50 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Where's the fruits?
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Mateja


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: cronicr]
#25006915 - 02/19/18 10:53 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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cronicr said: I have been playing with cakes for over a decade my dude, it is fine that you disagree but it is as simple as misting a couple times a day it isnt rocket science you are just replacing moisture.
Of course it isn´t rocket science cron, but the growers that are doing this are saying that it is much more hand off way of growing. For new growers that are not 100 percent confident in knowing when to mist and when not to, for them it´s not as easy as you make it out to be.
My goal is helping those growers get their confidence up by switching to a more reliable method IMO, until they feel like moving to grain. Like Nate said, some don´t have a PC yet and it might take them a few months saving money until they can get one, but that doesnt mean that they can´t do awesome bulk grows. This is just my 2 cents.
Munch I believe you, 
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hamloaf said: Where's the fruits? 
Or do I?
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Edited by Mateja (02/19/18 10:55 PM)
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cronicr



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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mateja]
#25006929 - 02/19/18 10:59 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Exactly it is your opinion and you are more then entitled to it but just because a few can not grasp the tek doesnt make it a shitty method nor dies it make spawning a better option Again this is something that comes down to individuals not growers as a whole so think of both methids as two different tools in the tool belt and not as a plastic hammer vs a real hammer, the more options we have and present the better off our hobby will become
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van hatton
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: cronicr]
#25006936 - 02/19/18 11:01 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Allenii or mold.
This agar always makes my cultures look like. shit.
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Munchauzen


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: hamloaf] 1
#25006937 - 02/19/18 11:01 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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the only pic I could find of one fruiting is actually boner cloner, but lookin pretty sad. I had a pretty high contam rate, so I tried it a few times and couldn't sell myself on the tek, so I deleted it from my journal. and that was jan 2015, so i had like 4 years of nothing but pf-tek under my belt so I was pretty confident in my cakes. i had better success with my marijuana pf-tek cakes.
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hamloaf
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Munchauzen]
#25006952 - 02/19/18 11:10 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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van hatton said: Allenii or mold.
This agar always makes my cultures look like. shit.

Looks like Allenii/Cyanofriscosa myce to me. Take a few more transfers to be sure, as well as ensure cleanliness. 
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Munchauzen said: the only pic I could find of one fruiting is actually boner cloner, but lookin pretty sad. I had a pretty high contam rate, so I tried it a few times and couldn't sell myself on the tek, so I deleted it from my journal. and that was jan 2015, so i had like 4 years of nothing but pf-tek under my belt so I was pretty confident in my cakes. i had better success with my marijuana pf-tek cakes.

Cool. Would link your aerial myce vs bacteria thread, please? It's a really good one, and I can't find it using the search engines.
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Mateja


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Munchauzen]
#25006959 - 02/19/18 11:13 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Just for the record once again I´m not knocking the SGFC I´m in the process of experimenting with fruiting chambers right now I will post results soon, the SGFC is operational at my place.
All I´m saying is that the design of SGFC is far from ideal when it comes to 200ml unprotected substrates with a huge surface area. By unprotected I mean 80% of the substrate surface is in contact with air not to mention. Compare that to about 35-40% of a bulk sub inside a tub that´s in contact with air. A BRF cake has 70ml water after a 24h dunk, those precious ml´s evaporate off fast inside a SGFC if you dont know exactly what you´re doing. But compare that to a bulk sub, what are the chances of a bulk sub with top layer drying out to the point of bruising? It´s next to unheard of.
For sure the SGFC can produce good results with cakes, but look at some of the best BRF cake grows, were they fruited inside a SGFC or were the cakes fruited inside other FC´s? I have seen a few sick BRF cake grows, bod posted some not too long ago and those were fruited inside unmodified tubs if I´m not mistaken.
IMHO the SGFC is far from ideal to fruit small substrates inside if you are a beginner that is not confidend in maintaining proper micro climate.
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Munchauzen


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: hamloaf]
#25006960 - 02/19/18 11:14 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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i had it moved to my journal cause kizzle wasn't on board with the part about the thickening of the myc or some shit, he thought it could be fungal infection. im no scientist, or even have any ground to argue kizzle, so i curbed it until a later date.
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cronicr



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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mateja]
#25006974 - 02/19/18 11:31 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Then you have been watching the wrong grows lol
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Mateja


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: cronicr]
#25006986 - 02/19/18 11:39 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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I wouldn´t mind at all if you could show me noobs having great success with cakes inside SGFC, I would very much like to see that and that´s how it should be, but is that the reality of the situation? The thing is that lately I have only seen great success with spawned BRF cakes
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mateja]
#25006996 - 02/19/18 11:44 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Mateah said: Just for the record once again I´m not knocking the SGFC I´m in the process of experimenting with fruiting chambers right now I will post results soon, the SGFC is operational at my place.
All I´m saying is that the design of SGFC is far from ideal when it comes to 200ml unprotected substrates with a huge surface area. By unprotected I mean 80% of the substrate surface is in contact with air not to mention. Compare that to about 35-40% of a bulk sub inside a tub that´s in contact with air. A BRF cake has 70ml water after a 24h dunk, those precious ml´s evaporate off fast inside a SGFC if you dont know exactly what you´re doing. But compare that to a bulk sub, what are the chances of a bulk sub with top layer drying out to the point of bruising? It´s next to unheard of.
For sure the SGFC can produce good results with cakes, but look at some of the best BRF cake grows, were they fruited inside a SGFC or were the cakes fruited inside other FC´s? I have seen a few sick BRF cake grows, bod posted some not too long ago and those were fruited inside unmodified tubs if I´m not mistaken.
IMHO the SGFC is far from ideal to fruit small substrates inside if you are a beginner that is not confidend in maintaining proper micro climate.
There you go again comparing the two...it is not about fruiting chamber designs and what works best for the cakes the important thing is what works best for the individual...if surface area is YOUR probkem go the macmerdin route...if sgfc is drying you oug too fast try spawning if your spawning is contaminating fruit as cakes ect but before any of this you need to understand conditions which is why i demonstrated growinging with no fc in the first place so we could start to see what is a necessity and what is a tool like conditions vs fruiting chambers...so you can keep denying facts all you want but your gonna fall short convincing anybody that cakes and sgfc are not ideal
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: cronicr]
#25007008 - 02/19/18 11:56 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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I will do side by side with BRF cakes fruited inside shoeboxes and fruited inside SGFC.
Cron I´m not about denying the facts I´m about the opposite. I seek to find the most effective methods, not the other way around. I do a lot of experimenting not to learn less but the opposite. I will experiment with more than two fruiting chambers and I will see what setup is most reliable, which set up is the least work, which is most most etc. I am in no way denying facts about anything I am just offering solutions to new growers that have bad success with fruiting BRF cakes inside SGFC, I have had that as well and can relate, obviously many more growers feel exactly like me and they feel very excited about their results with this method. The way I see it I cause no harm to the community, contrary to that I believe I help a lot of new growers and speed up their learning process.
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