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natedawgnow
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: bodhisatta]
#24999381 - 02/16/18 05:42 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: % weight to weight Or % volume?
Because a quart of grain and a quart of water is much different than A pound of grain a pound of water Is much different than a quart of grain and a pound of water Etc..
If you use the metric system then mass of water is equal to its volume. 1g=1mL=1cm3=1cc Just another reason that the metric system trumps the english system
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Ferather
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: natedawgnow]
#24999390 - 02/16/18 05:46 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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We use metric as standard now.
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Germs
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: natedawgnow]
#24999397 - 02/16/18 05:48 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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natedawgnow said:
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bodhisatta said: % weight to weight Or % volume?
Because a quart of grain and a quart of water is much different than A pound of grain a pound of water Is much different than a quart of grain and a pound of water Etc..
If you use the metric system then mass of water is equal to its volume. 1g=1mL=1cm3=1cc Just another reason that the metric system trumps the english system 
‘Murica!
I wonder when they’ll get rid of it. It couldn’t be soon enough
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00Burnout
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Germs]
#24999427 - 02/16/18 06:01 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Right! It would be sooo much easier if we all followed the metric system instead of some of us using that imperical unit crap.
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Thufir_Hawat
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: 00Burnout]
#24999435 - 02/16/18 06:03 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Really annoyed with my cats for breaking my dslr, can't get decent photos of my plates with my phone! But still, happy they've germinated and I should be doing the first set of transfers on my AA+ and LGT tomorrow or so.
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Ferather
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: 00Burnout]
#24999439 - 02/16/18 06:04 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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00Burnout said: Right! It would be sooo much easier if we all followed the metric system instead of some of us using that imperical unit crap.
I blame the Romans.....
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Asura
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Ferather]
#24999454 - 02/16/18 06:09 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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It's weird because I use mostly metric for everything myco related. I hear people say I got an eighth of cubes...and I don't even know what that looks like. I only know grams.
The exception being the quart. But a quart is so close to a liter, we should use that. Go completely metric. I think it would work, because I don't know of an instance where something has to be a perfect quart.
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Ferather
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Asura]
#24999468 - 02/16/18 06:13 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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References to quarts throws my brain into a wobble, I was brought up with imperial-metric then metric.
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Mateja


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Asura] 1
#24999474 - 02/16/18 06:17 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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It would also be easier if we started to use the actual volume of spawn instead of saying mycoquart. Mycoquart for someone is 850ml. For me that has 'qt' jars that are 750 and 800ml in volume, my spawn is often around 500ml.
So If I use two qt jars worth of spawn I will say I used around 1.2L spawn.
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Ferather
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mateja]
#24999476 - 02/16/18 06:18 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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I just find how much end weight a container can take, and work with that, in grams or kilos.
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Asura
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mateja]
#24999489 - 02/16/18 06:24 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Mateah said: It would also be easier if we started to use the actual volume of spawn instead of saying mycoquart.
And how much more non-technical could mycoquart be? It means "like almost a quart but with room to shake"
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Mateja


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Asura]
#24999500 - 02/16/18 06:31 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Exactly 
Also Instead of gauging first flushes by dry weight from 1 mycoquart, I´d be more interested if people started posting wet weight from 1L spawn 
One flush from one tub can be almost twice as heavy as another flush from another tub, and they will dry out to practically the same dry weight. This is why I feel wet weight is more reliable if we want to establish some standards for yield. Just my opinions of course
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cronicr



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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mateja]
#24999522 - 02/16/18 06:37 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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I do volume...2 cups of grain just under a cup of water(this is millet) im always happy
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Ferather
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mateja]
#24999531 - 02/16/18 06:40 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Substrate dry weight to mushroom dry weight, substrate water content to mushroom water content. You could roughly do 100g of fresh fruits - 90% = 10g, 10g dry from the dry substrate.
You wouldn't measure the volume of your container and compare with fruits.
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Corundum
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mateja] 1
#24999538 - 02/16/18 06:41 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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people consume and store mushrooms dry so dry weight is more practical
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Asura
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: cronicr]
#24999541 - 02/16/18 06:42 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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cronicr said: I do volume...2 cups of grain just under a cup of water(this is millet) im always happy
But we just decided to switch everyone over 2 metric. Me and two other guys made the call 
It's .5 liters of grain to under .25 liters of water now
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cronicr



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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Asura] 1
#24999546 - 02/16/18 06:44 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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You do wahtever the fuck u want
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Mateja


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Ferather]
#24999551 - 02/16/18 06:47 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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I´m mostly talking about the "one ounce dry first flush per mycoquart" standard. To me it´s neither scientific nor reliable, simply because the fruits alter between 88-94% water content.
500g fresh can dry down to 50g and 1kg fresh can dry down to 50g as well in some cases, often in my case for example.
A mycoquart becomes also an arbitrary amount so that makes this even more unscientific..
I am genuinley deeply interested in working towards common standards that translate the data for us easier. I would really like to know exactly what kind of results the other growers are getting to make it more comparetive. I understand not everyone is interested in these numbers as much as I can, but it would be nice if this data was more exact.
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Ferather
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: cronicr]
#24999560 - 02/16/18 06:51 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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cronicr said: You do wahtever the fuck u want
Indeed, mathematical, easy to do, whatever, what matters is a working result. Just be prepared to add weight measurements to general guides.
I can replicate weight easily, with most scales.
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cronicr



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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mateja]
#24999574 - 02/16/18 06:57 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Mateah said: I´m mostly talking about the "one ounce dry first flush per mycoquart" standard. To me it´s neither scientific nor reliable, simply because the fruits alter between 88-94% water content.
500g fresh can dry down to 50g and 1kg fresh can dry down to 50g as well in some cases, often in my case for example.
A mycoquart becomes also an arbitrary amount so that makes this even more unscientific..
I am genuinley deeply interested in working towards common standards that translate the data for us easier. I would really like to know exactly what kind of results the other growers are getting to make it more comparetive. I understand not everyone is interested in these numbers as much as I can, but it would be nice if this data was more exact.
There are no scientific numbers ...take it all with a grain of salt...adding gypsum? Chuck a handfull....spawn to bulk? Somewhere around 4 inches, this system works n makes me happy
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