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MooseShroom
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: 00Burnout]
#24998609 - 02/16/18 11:36 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Switched my agar recipe after having some issues with slow growth/seperation/other issues. MEA has changed my agar game completely. Super stoked about this.
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Doc9151
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: MooseShroom]
#24998796 - 02/16/18 01:09 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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MooseShroom said: Switched my agar recipe after having some issues with slow growth/seperation/other issues. MEA has changed my agar game completely. Super stoked about this.
What were you using before? You can play around with the MEA adding things like yeast, dung, grain water, etc.
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MooseShroom
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Doc9151]
#24998802 - 02/16/18 01:13 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Doc9151 said:
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MooseShroom said: Switched my agar recipe after having some issues with slow growth/seperation/other issues. MEA has changed my agar game completely. Super stoked about this.
What were you using before? You can play around with the MEA adding things like yeast, dung, grain water, etc.
I was originally using Potato Starch, Karo, agar. It worked, but was not ideal.
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TheBlackCat
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: cronicr]
#24998868 - 02/16/18 02:02 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Is it wrong that I've given up on trying to perfect the mono. I almost feel like I should go back and try and get one really epic flush. It's almost like an unfinished project. But really I like the shoeboxes in the Martha. They flush great. Even succeeding flushes are less sparse. I've decided to just perfect the Martha. Just works better especially since I grow more than just cubes. It also works for my space. Quote:
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TheBlackCat said: Chia Garcia! Now they need to market that in the Chia pet line.
So I almost got my grain to water ratios good in my jars. I got to it and gave the jars a shake much earlier so I was able to shake it apart and break it up easier. There are still a few too many burst grains so slightly less water and it will be just right. It's cube worthy though at least just not ideal. I may end up switching back to cooking my grains and then pressure cooking them if I can't get it exactly right.
If no ones following this is me experimenting with pressure cooking the uncooked grans and water directly in the jars instead of hydrating them beforehand outside of the pressure cooker.
I found most grains do well around 40 % water
Thanks Cron. Someone suggested a higher water content. I'm glad I went with my gut and started with a 1 to 1.5 ratio and worked my way down. I originally wanted to go with a 1:1 ratio to start. I'm very close to perfecting the amounts though. I'm thinking your spot on because working down my next try would have been 50 percent grain 50 percent water. Also the oysters are doing phenominal on those sticky grains. Ripped right through them. Now I know what to do with all my reject jars. Thanks!
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Mateja


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: TheBlackCat]
#24998997 - 02/16/18 03:02 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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I hydrate my WBS to around 77%. 40-50% seems to be on the lower end of the spectrum
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bodhisatta 
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mateja] 1
#24999054 - 02/16/18 03:27 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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% weight to weight Or % volume?
Because a quart of grain and a quart of water is much different than A pound of grain a pound of water Is much different than a quart of grain and a pound of water Etc..
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Mateja


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: bodhisatta]
#24999110 - 02/16/18 03:52 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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By weight.
My WBS had ~9% water fresh from the store, when hydrated the weight increased by 67%. Tho they were not hydrated after being completely dehydrated, so I add the original 9a% to the increased weight to get an estimate of total water content in the grain.q
Of course WBS are not homogenous and results will vary from product to product.
It´s just that 40% seems kind of low to me when one thinks about the capacity of the grain.
Quart jars, 7h room temp soak, about 50% water content.

Quart jars, 48h room temp soak, about 65% water content.

Quart jars, 60 min hot soak, about 77% water content.
Edited by Mateja (02/16/18 03:57 PM)
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TheBlackCat
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mateja] 1
#24999160 - 02/16/18 04:14 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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By weight here for sure.
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Mateja


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: TheBlackCat]
#24999165 - 02/16/18 04:17 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Necessarily grain volume must increase linearly with water weight increase.
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Ferather
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mateja]
#24999175 - 02/16/18 04:24 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Indeed measure by weight, 1x dry weight = 50/50 (50% water), 2x dry weight = 66/33 (66% water).
100ml of grain might weigh less than 100g, and 100ml of water will weigh 100g. Use weight for accuracy, you can record results and repeat steps.
To be more accurate, measure water loss from cooking.
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Mateja


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Ferather]
#24999184 - 02/16/18 04:28 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ferather said: Indeed measure by weight, 1x dry weight = 50/50 (50% water), 2x dry weight = 66/33 (66% water).
100ml of grain might weigh less than 100g, and 100ml of water will weigh 100g. Use weight for accuracy, you can record results and repeat steps.
To be more accurate, measure water loss from cooking.
100ml of my WBS weighs 51.9g 
How can dry grain have more density than water in your calculations? Or I´m I too stoned?
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Edited by Mateja (02/16/18 04:30 PM)
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00Burnout
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Ferather]
#24999192 - 02/16/18 04:30 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hey ferather, how many flushes can I expect from my columbinus buckets? I'm on flush 3, which I probably fucked by letting my rh get and stay way to low.
3 qts oats to an unknown amount of straw.
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Doc9151
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mateja]
#24999193 - 02/16/18 04:30 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Water weighs 1 gram per milliliter.
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Mateja


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Doc9151]
#24999195 - 02/16/18 04:32 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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How would you put that in the context of what ferather wrote? Of course 1cc of water weighs 1g.
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Tookitooki
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mateja]
#24999199 - 02/16/18 04:34 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24613384
Here's a journal I started to help me track my hydration of my grains. So far I only have oats and rye in there.
One thing I learned, is that oats and rye hydrated to the same water content, do not equal the same volume. My jars with oats are weighed out to 340-350 and my rye jars I weigh out to 400. They fill the jars to the same line
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Ferather
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Tookitooki]
#24999202 - 02/16/18 04:35 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ferather said: ...100ml of grain might weigh less than 100g, and 100ml of water will weigh 100g...
You can use your own example, 100ml of WBS weighed less than 100g, 51.9g.
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Mateja


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Tookitooki]
#24999205 - 02/16/18 04:36 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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No access to journal
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Mateja


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Ferather] 1
#24999214 - 02/16/18 04:39 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ferather said: ...100ml of grain might weigh less than 100g, and 100ml of water will weigh 100g...
I got you, don´t listen to me I´m too stoned
Edited by Mateja (02/16/18 04:40 PM)
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Ferather
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mateja]
#24999218 - 02/16/18 04:40 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Mateah said: I got you, don´t listen to me I´m too stoned

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Tookitooki
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mateja]
#24999275 - 02/16/18 05:06 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Try it now. Let me know if you can see it.
On another note, I just found a farmer that has 100 bushels of rye left over and is letting them go for 6$ a bag (56lbs). Feel like I've won the lottery. He's just trying to clear out his stash
Edited by Tookitooki (02/16/18 05:08 PM)
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