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Mycolorado
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: hamloaf]
#24991035 - 02/13/18 10:42 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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I've found they typically end up finishing at the same time give or take a day or so shaken or not.
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van hatton
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mycolorado]
#24991082 - 02/13/18 10:59 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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So if I drop agar wedges into two jars. Assuming everything is exactly the same (perfect world and all) the if you shook one and didn't shake the other. They would still finish at the same time?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: van hatton]
#24991124 - 02/13/18 11:13 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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cronicr said: Yep i tested this a couple years ago, dropped about 1/4 plate and shook for a few jars...i mean all your doing is dropping something clean in a jar of grain
Right, I'm not worried about sterility or cleanliness (to van hatton as well). What I'd heard from RR and others is that when you shake the mycelium off the wedge, it can't start growing on grains. Instead, it has to crawl from the agar itself onto the grains, and only then can it be shaken up and evenly distributed (via the grains). But I trust if you've checked, it's bullshit. Lots of RR's information has been shown to be inaccurate so it wouldn't surprise me.
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van hatton said: So if I drop agar wedges into two jars. Assuming everything is exactly the same (perfect world and all) the if you shook one and didn't shake the other. They would still finish at the same time?
I guess I'll have to check for myself with some clones soon.
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van hatton
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: van hatton]
#24991135 - 02/13/18 11:20 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Double post different question.
Considering I have 2923836 bundles of newspapers not exaggerating either.
Was thinking about soaking them in line water for chemical pasteurization then using grain too knock up in between the folds. For oysters obviously.
They would be outdoors.
I wonder if I could do that with PS cyan..
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: van hatton]
#24991185 - 02/13/18 11:46 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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van hatton said: So if I drop agar wedges into two jars. Assuming everything is exactly the same (perfect world and all) the if you shook one and didn't shake the other. They would still finish at the same time?
Yes, that has been my experience.
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van hatton
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: van hatton]
#24991187 - 02/13/18 11:47 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Double post again maybe? 
Stare I think that's untrue. That' it needs to have already leaped off the grains. If your wedge breaks up then it's obviously going to be distributed throughout the jar. When I used to do tiger drops (haven't in a long time) I would purposely use slightly softer agar so it basically became liquid when shaken.
Not double post 
That's interesting. I figured with more possible innoculant points you would increase the amount of cells being created as well.
I don't know exactly how fungus cells work. But I would assume that the center of the mycelium would be creating cells but not expanding as well as the outer cells
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Edited by van hatton (02/13/18 11:50 AM)
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stareatclouds
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: van hatton]
#24991245 - 02/13/18 12:13 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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My wedges don't break apart. Although I'll sometimes cut them in a grid pattern before dropping them in. I'll run some experiments soon now that I have more petris.
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mushboy
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i hated shaking wedge jars cause this always happened.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#24991249 - 02/13/18 12:15 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Same
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#24991254 - 02/13/18 12:19 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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When that happens, guys, bash the bottom of jar onto acceptable surface very hard, and the wedge will loose from the glass, or roof of the lid.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#24991256 - 02/13/18 12:20 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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I will roll the jar around a bit to get the wedge at least 50% down the side & covered with grains.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#24991263 - 02/13/18 12:24 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Theres a shake swirl motion I use to bury the wedges a little but yeah hard shaking and the agar gets stuck to the glass, sometimes it happens anyways , I do like to bury the agar for more points of contact to grains, its hard to describe but I hold the jar slightly on an angle and shake the jar lightly up and down along its vertical axis while twisting my wrist back and forth.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: AyePlus]
#24991279 - 02/13/18 12:35 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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AyePlus said: Theres a shake swirl motion I use to bury the wedges a little but yeah hard shaking and the agar gets stuck to the glass, sometimes it happens anyways , I do like to bury the agar for more points of contact to grains, its hard to describe but I hold the jar slightly on an angle and shake the jar lightly up and down along its vertical axis while twisting my wrist back and forth.
I have noticed the swirling motion works best, and your right the wedges get stuck to the glass or the lids if I just shake.
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van hatton
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: hamloaf]
#24991305 - 02/13/18 12:45 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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hamloaf said: When that happens, guys, bash the bottom of jar onto acceptable surface very hard, and the wedge will loose from the glass, or roof of the lid.

Mine break apart because I use less agar. I generally use 7-8grams when I want it to liquefy I use 5 to 6.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: cronicr]
#24991306 - 02/13/18 12:46 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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I always thought you were supposed to shake when innoculating with wedges to spread the myc around. I get multiple points of growth this way, but the growth off the wedge is always the largest.
Ive noticed that with the gyms i grew there were many more points of growth after the wedge shake, and with ovoids i havent seen any other than from the wedge and a wedge piece that broke off. Maybe this is just inconsistency in the vigor of my shakes tho
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: van hatton]
#24991310 - 02/13/18 12:48 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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My thin plates stick, my thick ones don't
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Doc9151]
#24991424 - 02/13/18 01:44 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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When wedges get stuck to the glass, I just swirl the grain around at the top and it knocks off. You can also just smack the opposite side of the glass to knock it loose, as well. It's never been a problem for me.
To bury it successfully in the middle against the glass, just tilt/shake at an angle until it slides down a bit. When the wedge stops, just turn the glass over so the wedge is facing downward and the bottle is horizontal, effectively piling grains on top. And then slowly twist/tilt the jar vertically again, but upside down, so the wedge can slide down in the gap a bit more.
I think I'll take 10x clone transfers from a plate tonight and run a bunch of tests for the hell of it this week.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Doc9151]
#24991431 - 02/13/18 01:47 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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I shake the ever living shit out of mine. Right after I drop the wedge, at 30% then again at 100% to see how quickly it bounces back. If a piece sticks to the glass
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Steevo]
#24991524 - 02/13/18 02:35 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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I can't really ventilate to the outside because I can't have anything obvious and only the public storage side of the basement has windows. Can I just keep my hepa running by my Martha?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: TheBlackCat]
#24991548 - 02/13/18 02:46 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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You need oxygen to replace the CO2 running the hepa wont work. Time to get some houseplants? You can make pretty discreet ventβs, just go get all the stuff for a dryer vent at the local hardware store.
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