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grainbrain
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Ferather] 1
#24974530 - 02/07/18 05:05 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ferather said: Thanks dude. Would you say they are harder, as it's in the name, by harder I mean tough-resistant.
If tested: How much starch comes out of the grain, is the water saturated, or fairly clear?
As long as you don't boil them outright, they seem to hold together better than rye berries or WBS. The skin seems fairly tough even when the insides are hydrated. The grain water itself is light brown in color, but very clear.
The only caution is that they steam off quickly & will dry out faster than rye or oats. I load the jars while the grains are still piping hot & steaming.
edit to add: I've run about 150lbs of organic rye berries & the wheat grain water has less starch.
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Ferather
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: grainbrain]
#24974534 - 02/07/18 05:06 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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I updated my post with an image of rye soaking in hot water, does the water look like this?
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grainbrain
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Ferather] 1
#24974538 - 02/07/18 05:07 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ferather said: I updated my post with an image of rye soaking in hot water, does the water look like this?
The wheat grain water has less starch in it.
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Ferather
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: grainbrain]
#24974540 - 02/07/18 05:08 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Excellent, thanks for the information.

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Edit:
Hard white wheat is nutritionally sound.
Change the following site to 100g:
Wheat, hard white | Rye.
Edited by Ferather (02/07/18 05:52 PM)
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Germs
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: myceliups]
#24974878 - 02/07/18 06:46 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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lewp said: I do grain prep with tap but use distilled for everything else. I switched to distilled for agar and started having better results, so then I started using distilled for misting. Now I use distilled for my bulk prep even though that water is being boiled before I dump it in a bucket. I tried it for grain prep a few times but never noticed any difference.
I live in a big city with decent water. I drink from the tap. My girlfriend makes fun of me because I buy water for the fungus.
Same for me. Tap for grain soaks and distilled for everything else. I started to see better results.
Exactly how I do it too
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Asura
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Germs]
#24974898 - 02/07/18 06:52 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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I have an RV water filter that I use for homebrew water.
I had the results tested at Ward Labs and the results were great. It's a cheap option.
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tryptkaloids
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Germs]
#24974907 - 02/07/18 06:53 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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I don't get why you use distilled water for everything but grain prep... Seems to me If tap water isn't hurting your grain why would it hurt your agar or bulk?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#24974922 - 02/07/18 06:58 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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ive used both and havent noticed a difference. i used to think my water was fuckin with my grows but it was just me using to much water
or using premixed dried agar. that shit was awful ime
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Asura
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#24974932 - 02/07/18 07:00 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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My tap water is donkey dick. I've had it tested and it fucking sucks. Plus, I live in a large city and my my water supply rotates from several different sources. It's inconsistent. I used filtered water for everything.
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mushboy
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Asura]
#24974946 - 02/07/18 07:03 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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my tap is refered to as schuylkill punch. if it works here its gotta work anywhere.. maybe not detroit or flint..
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TheBlackCat
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Asura]
#24974954 - 02/07/18 07:04 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Do you think 35 minutes at 15psi is enough for LC. I had to cut my time short so the bitch upstairs didn't complain I was making noise after 9 in the kitchen.
Because I have this weird logic that makes no sense. My agar is always ok but I worry about having just straight water with chloramine touching my mycelium directly. Plus I'm not boiling the water I'm using for the LC so if there is chlorine in it, it's not boiling off. For some reason I couldn't find information on whether or not chlorine is in my tap water too. But anyways I feel super bad for Michigan and anyone else with shitty water. We have some of the cleanest water with the strictest standards here. Shit goes up on the news instantly if anything goes wrong. We live in a country where everyone should have access to clean running water, electricity and heat but that's just not the reality for some.
Edited by TheBlackCat (02/07/18 07:13 PM)
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mushboy
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: TheBlackCat]
#24974970 - 02/07/18 07:07 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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noise after 9? bitch plz is right. 35 is plenty. weigh down your rocker and put a metal shotglass over the rocker. careful.. shotglass gets hot but bitch is quiet.
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tryptkaloids
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Asura]
#24974988 - 02/07/18 07:12 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Asura said: My tap water is donkey dick. I've had it tested and it fucking sucks. Plus, I live in a large city and my my water supply rotates from several different sources. It's inconsistent. I used filtered water for everything.
I get using it for everything but if you can get away with tap in one aspect why wouldn't you get away with it in another?
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TheBlackCat
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids] 1
#24975006 - 02/07/18 07:16 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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She's like wahh I got to get up at 5 am. I have never seen that bitch up at 5 am or anyone here for that matter. I'm an insomniac so I know. Maybe I should just start my shit at 5 am and be like but I thought you said you have to get up at 5am every morning. That would really put a bee in her bonnet.
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Asura
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#24975008 - 02/07/18 07:16 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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I mean you're 100% right. If it works, it works. I'm just OCD about water because of my homebrewing. Plenty of people over the years have said water quality makes no damn difference
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van hatton
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: TheBlackCat]
#24975009 - 02/07/18 07:18 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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TheBlackCat said: She's like wahh I got to get up at 5 am. I have never seen that bitch up at 5 am or anyone here for that matter. I'm an insomniac so I know. Maybe I should just start my shit at 5 am and be like but I thought you said you have to get up at 5am every morning. That would really put a bee in her bonnet.
Do that
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lewp
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#24975064 - 02/07/18 07:38 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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tryptkaloids said: I don't get why you use distilled water for everything but grain prep... Seems to me If tap water isn't hurting your grain why would it hurt your agar or bulk?
I noticed a difference when I switched to using distilled for agar. At that point I was using grain water agar, where the grain water was still from tap. I have not idea why it doesn't make a difference for grain prep when I used distilled vs tap. As I switched different steps to distilled I observed better results, until grep prep so I never bothered using distilled.
Although I've switched back to using BRF agar also.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: lewp]
#24975086 - 02/07/18 07:47 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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I've noticed a difference with agar and LC/LI when using filtered vs straight tap but no difference between filtered vs distilled. Granted my tap water has a extremely high chlorine content ever since we had a flood last spring, it smells and tastes like pool water.
I don't worry about it when prepping oats because chlorine boils off after 15-20 minutes.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: 00Burnout]
#24975096 - 02/07/18 07:51 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Just had my first contaminated agar in forever. I forgot to save a culture of my blue oyster so I cut off a chunk from an oyster block and holy fuck. I have never seen pin mold this fast and this long in my life. Most contaminated jar ever! kind of epic actually.
Edited by TheBlackCat (02/07/18 07:52 PM)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: grainbrain]
#24975106 - 02/07/18 07:54 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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grainbrain said: I started working with hard white wheat yesterday & really liked the results. I may never go back to wbs, rye or oats after this due to less mess, less smell & no weevils.
I like smaller grains for master, but I prefer the larger grains for spawing to bulk.
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