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hamloaf
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Ferather] 1
#24963724 - 02/03/18 09:35 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ferather said: I'm using small budgie seed, but I hydrate it differently. I add boiling hot water to my seed, and leave to cool for ~1 hour. I then strain and weigh it, and repeat if needed, until 60% water, then I assemble it and pressure cook it.
Cooling to room temperature causes the seeds to absorb water, and not burst or leak as much. WBS can also contain naked grains and other, which can also breakdown easily.
My method reaches about 60% hydration with a five minute simmer, and it works great.
Etc.. Go from dry seed to fully sterilzed seed in 4 hours.
Next up is super simple no soak winter rye berry & red milo prep Tek. 
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stareatclouds said: I just used hamloaf's method which doesn't include a cold rinse after. My WBS probably has way more corn than his or something. Going to rinse it all and load it wet.
Pick out the corn.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: hamloaf]
#24963729 - 02/03/18 09:40 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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tombosley8 said: fooman's ftw.
but also wheat with a fooman style prep ftw
I've always had over hydrated millet with fooman's and Frank's methods. Ever use Pinpornproducer's wheat prep? it has solved all my grain prep caused bacteria
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#24963731 - 02/03/18 09:42 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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If you're doing foo's wbs prep for wheat then I think I'll try ppp's wheat prep for millet
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Germs
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#24963732 - 02/03/18 09:42 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Kendal Garden Mini Greenhouse (2 Tier) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01COKVXUY/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_BvEDAb1X2JA5K
This looks like it should do the job
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Germs]
#24963737 - 02/03/18 09:45 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Germs said: Well I decided I’m gonna start up a little greenhouse. I only want to make one that’s like four feet tall though as I’ll be moving in the next couple months and don’t want something big and bulky to move.
I figure a four tier shelf with a martha over it and cut the bottom so theres a good 8-12” exposed for FAE? Or is using a little fan a better idea?
If you opt to use a fan, calculate the CFM, then program your fan to come on to fully exchange the air inside of the greenhouse once every one to two hours. Usually a fan will only need to run for a few seconds every hour or two in small greenhouse applications in order to do thus.
Edited to correct auto correct spelling errors.
Edited by hamloaf (02/03/18 09:51 AM)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Germs]
#24963739 - 02/03/18 09:46 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Germs said: Kendal Garden Mini Greenhouse (2 Tier) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01COKVXUY/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_BvEDAb1X2JA5K
This looks like it should do the job
I've had the itch to do a GH, too. I have to wait until I move though.
I want one of those walk in one's..
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: hamloaf]
#24963742 - 02/03/18 09:48 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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hamloaf said:
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Germs said: Well I decided I’m gonna start up a little greenhouse. I only want to make one that’s like four feet tall though as I’ll be moving in the next couple months and don’t want something big and bulky to move.
I figure a four tier shelf with a martha over it and cut the bottom so theres a good 8-12” exposed for FAE? Or is using a little fan a better idea?
If you opt to use a fan, calculate the CFM, then program your fan to come on to full exchange the air inside of the greenhouse one every one to two hours. Usually a fan will only need to run for a few seconds every hour or two in small greenhouse applications in order to do thus.
Noted do there need to be slits cut or will the imperfect seal let the air exchange?
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Ferather
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: hamloaf] 1
#24963743 - 02/03/18 09:49 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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hamloaf said:
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Ferather said: I'm using small budgie seed, but I hydrate it differently. I add boiling hot water to my seed, and leave to cool for ~1 hour. I then strain and weigh it, and repeat if needed, until 60% water, then I assemble it and pressure cook it.
Cooling to room temperature causes the seeds to absorb water, and not burst or leak as much. WBS can also contain naked grains and other, which can also breakdown easily.
My method reaches about 60% hydration with a five minute simmer, and it works great.
Etc.. Go from dry seed to fully sterilzed seed in 4 hours.
Next up is super simple no soak winter rye berry & red milo prep Tek. 
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stareatclouds said: I just used hamloaf's method which doesn't include a cold rinse after. My WBS probably has way more corn than his or something. Going to rinse it all and load it wet.
Pick out the corn.
Top stuff. I don't like giving out grain prep guides too much, If I can, I avoid them. I will add: Weight things first, so you can calculate, else it's guess work.
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hamloaf
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Ferather] 1
#24963751 - 02/03/18 09:55 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Germs said:
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hamloaf said:
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Germs said: Well I decided I’m gonna start up a little greenhouse. I only want to make one that’s like four feet tall though as I’ll be moving in the next couple months and don’t want something big and bulky to move.
I figure a four tier shelf with a martha over it and cut the bottom so theres a good 8-12” exposed for FAE? Or is using a little fan a better idea?
If you opt to use a fan, calculate the CFM, then program your fan to come on to full exchange the air inside of the greenhouse one every one to two hours. Usually a fan will only need to run for a few seconds every hour or two in small greenhouse applications in order to do thus.
Noted do there need to be slits cut or will the imperfect seal let the air exchange?
Nah, not unless the GH is sealed. Place the fan as high up towards the top of the GH as you can place it, and position it to exhaust the air inside of the GH. To take it to the next level consider sealing the GH and creating a filtered intake vent about a foot above ground level. Other than that, the imperfect seal at the bottom of the GH will suffice for air intake.
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Ferather said:
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hamloaf said:
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Ferather said: I'm using small budgie seed, but I hydrate it differently. I add boiling hot water to my seed, and leave to cool for ~1 hour. I then strain and weigh it, and repeat if needed, until 60% water, then I assemble it and pressure cook it.
Cooling to room temperature causes the seeds to absorb water, and not burst or leak as much. WBS can also contain naked grains and other, which can also breakdown easily.
My method reaches about 60% hydration with a five minute simmer, and it works great.
Etc.. Go from dry seed to fully sterilzed seed in 4 hours.
Next up is super simple no soak winter rye berry & red milo prep Tek. 
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stareatclouds said: I just used hamloaf's method which doesn't include a cold rinse after. My WBS probably has way more corn than his or something. Going to rinse it all and load it wet.
Pick out the corn.
Top stuff. I don't like giving out grain prep guides too much, If I can, I avoid them. I will add: Weight things first, so you can calculate, else it's guess work.

I agree. I'm going to begin weighing the seed dry vs wet to prove hydration level for the rye & milo prep teks. I'll also be adding that to the seed prep Tek.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: hamloaf]
#24963754 - 02/03/18 09:57 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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I never turn my fans off for my gh, but I'm growing oysters. I really really need to run my exhaust out my window before I start getting sick. My sporeload is astronomical at this point, the tops of my plates are covered with spores and I've even had them sneak into an atl7 plate.
I'll probably do that today, just gotta figure out what I'm gonna use to fill the gaps around the fan until I can get around to cutting some plywood or get some foam boards.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: hamloaf] 1
#24963761 - 02/03/18 10:04 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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@hamloaf:
Excellent, that would be a very useful guide. I found organic rye to be very tough, even when cooked. For a naked grain they are surprisingly resistant to decay from heat and high hydration.
They are also resistant to enzyme decay, and can produce low carbon settings.
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When I put Cubensis dry spores onto organic rye at ~60% water, max was about 75%, it produced low carbon growth. I also put dry spores onto WL-Tek, using a sucrose enriched peg, and got well fed growth after 4 days.
The resistance produced growth similar to cellulose, which decays very slowly. I tried various pH's, and found some materials toughen the starch.
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You may find the rye better for expansion of a live culture.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: 00Burnout]
#24963778 - 02/03/18 10:18 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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00Burnout said: I never turn my fans off for my gh, but I'm growing oysters. I really really need to run my exhaust out my window before I start getting sick. My sporeload is astronomical at this point, the tops of my plates are covered with spores and I've even had them sneak into an atl7 plate.
I'll probably do that today, just gotta figure out what I'm gonna use to fill the gaps around the fan until I can get around to cutting some plywood or get some foam boards.
If it isn't too cold where you are then plastic sheeting might suffice. If it is then your guess is as good as mine 
I'm about to pull the trigger on a 4 tier greenhouse but am still trying to figure out how to vent that bitch outside. I have a window but don't really need my sketch ass neighbor snooping around getting ideas from a vent pipe in the window. I may just have to drop the cube cultivation for a while and focus on gourmets
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Steevo]
#24963780 - 02/03/18 10:19 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ventilation for sporeload is mainly for oysters right? Unless you’re growing pounds of cubes weekly in a GH?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Germs]
#24963787 - 02/03/18 10:23 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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All mycelium need O2, it's how much it can tolerate. Cubensis can tolerate being enclosed. The enclosure will handle most of the spore load, not enclosed requires mods.
The enclosure should be cleaned when needed, if anything. Imagine the enclosure is a large room, not a tub.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Ferather]
#24963791 - 02/03/18 10:30 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ferather said: All mycelium need O2, it's how much it can tolerate. Cubensis can tolerate being enclosed. The enclosure will handle most of the spore load, not enclosed requires mods.
The enclosure should be cleaned when needed, if anything. Imagine the enclosure is a large room, not a tub.
Understood, more so I was referring to what 00burnout was talking about as in oyster spores making you sick. Can cube spores do the same, or is it because oysters drop tons of spores?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Germs] 1
#24963797 - 02/03/18 10:33 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Oysters also require more FAE than cubes.
Thanks for the tip, Ferather.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Steevo] 1
#24963799 - 02/03/18 10:34 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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If I wasn't growing something that sporulates as heavily as oysters I wouldn't worry.
I live in the ozarks and anyone who does or has lived in the ozarks knows how fucky the weather is here. Just last week I was running around in shorts and a t-shirt, now it's freezing cold again.
I stuffed polyfil in the exhaust to cut down sporeload, and to limit my fan more than my controller allows, but the magnetic tape around the door is coming off so it doesn't seal well now. I'll probably replace the tape and hope for the best for the time being. Looks like I'll be cleaning the shit out of my bedroom today!
I've been fruiting these buckets for a couple weeks now and luckily we haven't started noticing any ill-effects from the sporeload...yet
The reason it's as important with oysters is because you can develop an allergy to the spores. Most people would write it off as just getting sick. TravelAgency was the one who brought this to my attention when I first started this grow. Apparently RR developed an allergy to them and had to be rushed to the hospital.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Germs]
#24963814 - 02/03/18 10:39 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Germs said:
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Ferather said: All mycelium need O2, it's how much it can tolerate. Cubensis can tolerate being enclosed. The enclosure will handle most of the spore load, not enclosed requires mods.
The enclosure should be cleaned when needed, if anything. Imagine the enclosure is a large room, not a tub.
Understood, more so I was referring to what 00burnout was talking about as in oyster spores making you sick. Can cube spores do the same, or is it because oysters drop tons of spores?
I found that Cubensis spores are an allergen, in this Asthma and Rhinitis book. Spore load will also take effect.
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hamloaf said: Oysters also require more FAE than cubes.
Thanks for the tip, Ferather. 
No probs dude, happy to help.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Ferather] 1
#24963821 - 02/03/18 10:45 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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I think most spores are probably an allergen, if not all. Sporeload is probably the biggest factor in this and since most people do tubs for cubes it is unlikely that anyone would be exposed to a high enough spore count to have an allergic reaction much less develop an allergy.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: 00Burnout]
#24963823 - 02/03/18 10:47 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Here is a light explanation:
Lignicolous mycelium use laccase enzymes, which require O2 to properly decay phenol's-other. Cubensis does not use laccase, and it's requirements for oxygen to feed is lower.
In short, Cubensis does not oxidize as much as Oysters do to feed.
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Some of my active materials theories here, I believe there may be an overlooked oxidization factor.
It may be possible that the external mushroom (what we see) looks normal in low O2. However, internally (we cannot see), it may want more oxygen for materials.
Has anyone managed to side-by-side high O2 vs low O2 potency?
Edited by Ferather (02/03/18 12:47 PM)
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