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hamloaf
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tealseal]
#24934642 - 01/22/18 06:52 PM (6 years, 8 days ago) |
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tealseal
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: hamloaf]
#24934660 - 01/22/18 06:56 PM (6 years, 8 days ago) |
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fuck ya im pumped!!! gonna be doing some PE li tonight, ill post in midnight thread cause ill be up till midnight lol
thanks guys
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Crispykoot
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tealseal]
#24934673 - 01/22/18 07:01 PM (6 years, 8 days ago) |
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Honest question...If using oats to make spawn which are high in calcium and sulfur and using hard water to hydrate.
Is gypsum needed in the spawn making process in that case or is it overkill? How much calcium is too much for cubes?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Crispykoot]
#24934681 - 01/22/18 07:03 PM (6 years, 8 days ago) |
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My understanding was gypsum main purpose in our spawn prep was to keep grains from clumping up.
Was I mistaken?
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hamloaf
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Correct. Gypsum is beneficial in all stages of mushroom growth. It adds calcium and sulfur, as well as, prevents grains from clumping during sterilization.
Gypsum isn't necassary, but it does less harm than good, is cheap and takes five seconds to add. Add gypsum @ 3-5% of gypsum by volume of dry materials
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: hamloaf]
#24934690 - 01/22/18 07:07 PM (6 years, 8 days ago) |
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hamloaf said: Correct. Gypsum is beneficial in all stages of mushroom growth. It adds calcium suffer, as well as prevents grains from clumping during sterilization.
Gypsum isn't necassary, but it does less harm than good, is cheap and takes five seconds to add. Add gypsum @ 3-5% of gypsum by volume of dry materials
More good then harm? Or am I stoned
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hamloaf
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: cronicr]
#24934697 - 01/22/18 07:10 PM (6 years, 8 days ago) |
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You maybe a little stoned, because saying more good than harm is saying the same thing as less harm than good.
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Changa Alchemist
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: hamloaf]
#24934702 - 01/22/18 07:11 PM (6 years, 8 days ago) |
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I am a little stoned, and that phrase had me hung up for a minute too
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hamloaf
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I'm sober as a jay bird.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: hamloaf] 2
#24934710 - 01/22/18 07:14 PM (6 years, 8 days ago) |
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I am still wrapping my head around it lol
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Germs
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: hamloaf]
#24934713 - 01/22/18 07:14 PM (6 years, 8 days ago) |
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hamloaf said: I'm sober as a jay bird. 
That’s a new one, gonna write that down
Do any birds eat mushrooms?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: cronicr]
#24934724 - 01/22/18 07:17 PM (6 years, 8 days ago) |
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cronicr said: I am still wrapping my head around it lol
More good +, than harm - | less harm -, than good +
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As grit, calcium and sulfur (if needed) I agree with you hamloaf. As a buffer for pH or to neutralize acids, definitely no.
People get confused about gypsum and pH.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: hamloaf]
#24934725 - 01/22/18 07:19 PM (6 years, 8 days ago) |
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At some point though too much is too much right? I'm not confused about the PH but hardwater has a lot of calcium correct? Oats too...
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Ferather
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Crispykoot]
#24934735 - 01/22/18 07:23 PM (6 years, 8 days ago) |
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Hard water is water with soluble calcium and magnesium in it. Water softeners use sodium to swap the ions.
Water softening.
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tombosley8
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: cronicr] 1
#24934737 - 01/22/18 07:23 PM (6 years, 8 days ago) |
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cronicr said: I spray because it is a simple concept, wet shit doesn't kick up dust like a gravel road is night n day dry n wet. Isn't really much need to test an evaporation theory it hasn't been a problem in over 10 years. Like I said if it is working for ya all the power to ya but if ya wanna act like misting is a problem I'm gonna come call you on you're bs.

although I have debated the effects of evaporation of the water and iso in the box and off the towel on the bottom.. what kind of currents do they make? and how much spores are being carried via those currents
Obviously the simple concept of particles sticking to wet surfaces is a no brainer here. just mushboy likes to think it is a problem somehow or "not helpful"
in terms of efficiency To not be doing it means you don't like the results or your getting the same results either way.
We go out of out way to provide still air, sanitize things, sterilize things, and all the other prep involves yet a simple effective task of prevention is somehow something to avoid?
idk about that.
it is undeniable that there are contams in your sab and the air is not perfectly still no matter how slow you move and there are a possibility of tons of other currents such as piston effect, evaporation, heat distribution, etc.
Ok even among those yes it can be easily done without contams dry or wet box with good technique.
Now when getting into technique spraying a box may help with faster/larger movements for larger amounts of inoculation with ease of use.
@mushboy Just seems like your bad experience with a sprayed box has turned you into a dry box nazi. That's like saying just because I get away with not wiping down surfaces around my hood it is good practice or even as bad as saying you get good results shooting spores through ships into grains in open air, everybody should do it that way.
That is going to bite you in the ass or at least lessen your game in the end.
It's like why not?
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hamloaf
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Crispykoot]
#24934754 - 01/22/18 07:29 PM (6 years, 8 days ago) |
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Ferather said:
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cronicr said: I am still wrapping my head around it lol
More good +, than harm - | less harm -, than good +
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As grit, calcium and sulfur (if needed) I agree with you hamloaf. As a buffer for pH or to neutralize acids, definitely no.
People get confused about gypsum and pH.

The word than means you're comparing the words said before and after the word than, thus less harm than good is comparing less harm to good, hence saying the same thing as more good than harm, because less harm in comparison to good; the good out weighs the harm.
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Crispykoot said: At some point though too much is too much right? I'm not confused about the PH but hardwater has a lot of calcium correct? Oats too...
Again, what Ferather said.
It's not really that gypsum becomes too much, rather, there's a point of diminishment meaning after the addition of up to 5% by volume of dry materials the gypsum is being wasted.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: hamloaf]
#24934764 - 01/22/18 07:32 PM (6 years, 8 days ago) |
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@mushboy Just seems like your bad experience with a sprayed box has turned you into a dry box nazi.

come play in my journal. im not going to annoy you fine people with my rallies.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Germs]
#24934766 - 01/22/18 07:34 PM (6 years, 8 days ago) |
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Germs said:
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hamloaf said: I'm sober as a jay bird. 
That’s a new one, gonna write that down
Do any birds eat mushrooms?


I shoulda never gave em a taste. They rip up the cyan patch any chance they get
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy] 1
#24934776 - 01/22/18 07:37 PM (6 years, 8 days ago) |
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I think Crispykoot just sees the calcium, which he correctly identifies as high pH, this is utterly true. However gypsum is calcium bonded to sulfur, which is acidic, they counter balance.
This is why gypsum has a near neutral pH, rather than a high pH.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Ferather]
#24934860 - 01/22/18 08:19 PM (6 years, 8 days ago) |
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If the culture is getting calcium from the gypsum, oats, water etc...then how does that work? Does the culture just stop eating it at some point or does it build up?
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