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cronicr



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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#24932982 - 01/22/18 04:25 AM (6 years, 8 days ago) |
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Tons of shit you can get away with n do without but does it make it pointless? Like I said make all the retarded arguments ya want I'll take the 3 seconds to mist my sab
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LizardWizard
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: cronicr] 1
#24932990 - 01/22/18 04:35 AM (6 years, 8 days ago) |
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I agree with both sides, and have an extra addendum.
Spraying might be good when you only have short SAB sessions, but might be bad when you have longer sessions.
Spray the box, walls are wet, towel doesn't evap much because it holds the water in the fibers better than the walls of the SAB keep the moisture there.
BUT
When the walls have dried up, the air becomes dryer, and the towel starts evaporating faster, creating an updraft that might be able to carry spores...
And then again, maybe not. But if it can rain fish in Africa, I could see spores being hurled up in the air by evaporation. And yes, it does rain fish sometimes. And not just in Africa either.
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mushboy
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: LizardWizard]
#24933034 - 01/22/18 05:44 AM (6 years, 8 days ago) |
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Spores going up with evaporation was a theory i proposed to explain a method.
I never stated anything as fact either.
Cron says he will take the 3 seconds. Cool. Take those 3 seconds and the time spent calling 'bs' on my bs and have a day. Ill be doing 100% clean work in a dry box because spraying is pointless. All that yack back and forth proves it. If you have nothing to say but bashing without addressing any real points, then why post? I just read back and i was mocked my a tc and a mod, neat. Or im overreacting.
Over spraying a box with sticky water to achive still conditions. Just the sentence alone is a lolwut to me. But hey... Just to me right?
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grainbrain
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy] 4
#24933038 - 01/22/18 05:49 AM (6 years, 8 days ago) |
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Quote:
mushboy said:
Ill be doing 100% clean work in a dry box because spraying is pointless.
Bullshit. Even flowhoods don't guarantee 100% success. Get over yourself.
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mushboy
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: grainbrain]
#24933052 - 01/22/18 06:05 AM (6 years, 8 days ago) |
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Hoods are off topic mang
Get over myself? Im trying to help others get past SAB woes. What are you doing besides chucking insults?
...and being a critic? And its not bullshit. Get over yourself dude who sprays his box with iso
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JHOVA
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy] 1
#24933062 - 01/22/18 06:15 AM (6 years, 8 days ago) |
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“You cant force anyone to believe something” was once told to me by a friend. You have laid out your case MB. At this point its up to the individual.
You have not explained how not spraying is an improvement over spraying just that its potentially the same results as spraying. If thats true whats the point in stopping others from doing a non harmful sab action. I get that its working for you and thats an indication of what can work but at the same time how can you throw out everyone elses data point of it working for them by spraying?
Edited by JHOVA (01/22/18 06:23 AM)
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mushboy
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: JHOVA]
#24933071 - 01/22/18 06:22 AM (6 years, 8 days ago) |
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Ferather
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: LizardWizard] 1
#24933184 - 01/22/18 08:01 AM (6 years, 8 days ago) |
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Quote:
LizardWizard said:
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mushboy said: No. My breathe be kickin to. So what. Im not a surgeon either so why bother.
Breath over your box. Thats why i do my work looking down.

Sorry for makin a dumb joke cron. Ask van h whats hes doing before you say im posting bs. K thx
I never pegged you as a guy with curly hair...
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cronicr



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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#24933241 - 01/22/18 08:41 AM (6 years, 8 days ago) |
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mushboy said: Spores going up with evaporation was a theory i proposed to explain a method.
I never stated anything as fact either.
Cron says he will take the 3 seconds. Cool. Take those 3 seconds and the time spent calling 'bs' on my bs and have a day. Ill be doing 100% clean work in a dry box because spraying is pointless. All that yack back and forth proves it. If you have nothing to say but bashing without addressing any real points, then why post? I just read back and i was mocked my a tc and a mod, neat. Or im overreacting.
Over spraying a box with sticky water to achive still conditions. Just the sentence alone is a lolwut to me. But hey... Just to me right?
You're always over reacting it's what you like to do around here...i addressed every point you're the only one failing to make an argument here lol. And there you go yet again starting spraying a box with water to achieve still conditions ....that is the only laughable statement being made simply because you are failing to see the point of somebody squirting a bit of water in there sab.
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bodhisatta 
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: cronicr] 2
#24933256 - 01/22/18 08:53 AM (6 years, 8 days ago) |
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I've sprayed and not sprayed. Haven't noticed any tangible difference in my success.
I still tend to spray because that's how I learned. Sometimes we do things how we do just because that's how it's always been, that's how. I learned.
A good example is there's still mushroom farms using tyndalization. Though they could just steam for 8+ hours at atmosphere. Someone handed down that method to them. And it worked. And they stick with it because why change or not even knowing they could change to mire simple and cheap methods. You see lots of dumb shit done in industry. Especially industries where no standards are set.
Either way this thread isn't really made well imo https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24932780
There's better ways to have your point
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bodhisatta 
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: bodhisatta] 1
#24933260 - 01/22/18 08:58 AM (6 years, 8 days ago) |
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Also throwing theories around is basically retarded. We have no means of scientific testing. We rely entirely on empirical statistics. If it works it works if it doesn't it doesn't. That's how our hobby evolves.
No one is setting up a controlled experiment to determine how evaporation may or may not effect the ability to do aseptic work in a SAB. Funny thing is spraying works even if it does have a theoretical possibility of being less effective.
We try to attach theories to methods but they're likely far from the actual truth.
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cronicr



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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: bodhisatta]
#24933271 - 01/22/18 09:01 AM (6 years, 8 days ago) |
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I spray because it is a simple concept, wet shit doesn't kick up dust like a gravel road is night n day dry n wet. Isn't really much need to test an evaporation theory it hasn't been a problem in over 10 years. Like I said if it is working for ya all the power to ya but if ya wanna act like misting is a problem I'm gonna come call you on you're bs.
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bodhisatta 
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: cronicr]
#24933273 - 01/22/18 09:04 AM (6 years, 8 days ago) |
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A wet gravel road on a smaller scale may look like the surface of soda poured in a cup. With little spots of activities launching stuff upwards. Where the dry road makes dust easily it may not be a problem if you don't drive over it.
Regardless the misting hasn't and will continue not to cause any issues because it never has. Still, not misting should be investigated more.
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Ferather
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: cronicr]
#24933275 - 01/22/18 09:05 AM (6 years, 8 days ago) |
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Edit: NVM was due to an ignore.
Edited by Ferather (01/22/18 09:26 AM)
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natedawgnow
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Ferather] 1
#24933286 - 01/22/18 09:10 AM (6 years, 8 days ago) |
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Dry road analogy is lame. The dry road may not kick up dust if you dont drive on it but even a tiny gust of wind may create a dust devil.
Soda pops the way it does because of a volatile release of co2. Kinda a bad comparison. If i still used a sab, id definitely be spraying it.
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cronicr



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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: natedawgnow] 1
#24933296 - 01/22/18 09:14 AM (6 years, 8 days ago) |
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...put some flour on the counter...blow on it lol. Try it again after misting it...pretty fucking simple concept and yes you can get away without water and lots of other shit in this hobby that is nothing new but I'm not trying to cut corners and go backwards
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: natedawgnow]
#24933306 - 01/22/18 09:18 AM (6 years, 8 days ago) |
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Thats why I said "like" a soda. Everyone knows its because of the co2 and how it looks like. On a micro scale evaporation may also look like that.
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Ferather
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: cronicr]
#24933310 - 01/22/18 09:19 AM (6 years, 8 days ago) |
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The logic is agreeable.
Imagine a dry spore print (loose), then blowing it (spores go everywhere). Now the same but you add water first, it will dribble and drip off.
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mushboy
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: natedawgnow]
#24933316 - 01/22/18 09:23 AM (6 years, 8 days ago) |
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I wasnt trying to address anything other than a concept.thanks for the blatant critique and i agree with you bod. Nothing about my shit is about throwing theories. Im. Not doing thst. Im sorry for coming off that way. Ill work on that. And the road analogy has nothing to do with my idea. Its the opposite of whats being perceived.. Maybe thats my problem? Change my msg, which is simple. Dont spray
But im still allowed to demonstrate a working model and ask others to try it and share. Thats what my lame thread is for.
Thats all im doing. My behavior cron? Is a reaction to everything i see here. And its a reasonable reaction imo.
I see lots of unnecessary extra steps. I thought your rationale is what we try to avoid here. Getting stuck in set ways that may or may not do shit. Am i under a false assumption?
And you are correct cron. It is going backwards so you make giant leaps forward.
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cronicr



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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#24933322 - 01/22/18 09:28 AM (6 years, 8 days ago) |
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No it isn't a false assumption you're simply going about it in bad form. It's one thing to say shot like look this is how I do mine and I don't bother spraying and don't have problems doing so....but you are literally going behind people and telling them not to spray like it is causing problems but the fact is it isn't causing problems and isn't useless.
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