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Ferather
Mycological



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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: van hatton]
#24925125 - 01/19/18 08:52 AM (6 years, 11 days ago) |
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Export, for informative purposes:
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Question:
Do you know if woodlover (actives) would be a good choice to use with paper, do they decay it?
My answer:
They do, they will decay the same substrates as oyster's and other wood lovers. You can use any gourmet recipe that grows wood types for active types.
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I will use Cubensis as my example, because it's not lignicolous (not a wood lover), and does not produce laccase. The mycelium that we all cultivate for fruits, will decay cellulose, paper is composed of cellulose.
This includes Cubensis, which will happily decay the cellulose based paper.
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Here is some Cubensis on cut up newspaper (images from another user).

Accidental inoculation of Lazlo tek (bleached paper).
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Here is Cubensis from brown rice spawn and my WL-Tek.



This is a very old substrate test.
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Cubensis, dry spores on a peg to WL-Tek, sucrose aided.

Cellulose + macro-micro nutrients.
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Cubensis on a nutritional tea bag, sucrose aided



Tea is a lignicolous material.
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Germs
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Ferather]
#24925137 - 01/19/18 08:59 AM (6 years, 11 days ago) |
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van hatton
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Germs]
#24925141 - 01/19/18 09:00 AM (6 years, 11 days ago) |
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I would.
-------------------- If I ever give out misinformation please inform me so I can have the correct information. Tmethyl said: Chuck Norris once roundhouse kicked a monotub that wasn't pinning fast enough. The force of the kick rearranged the genetics of the mushrooms, we now call them Penis Envy. Caps McGee said:
Fun part is figuring out what works best for you
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Ferather
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: van hatton]
#24925168 - 01/19/18 09:15 AM (6 years, 11 days ago) |
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I updated my WL-Tek guide to include fixated nitrogen, further explaining nitrogen.
Please be aware, that dung contains ammoniacal and ureic nitrogen. Dung also contains P2-O5, and K2-O, also present in WL-Tek.
Manure composition, fully hydrated.
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van hatton
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: van hatton]
#24925181 - 01/19/18 09:22 AM (6 years, 11 days ago) |
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van hatton said: Would you spawn a jar that recovered in 24~ hours
Because I swear that if I spawn a jar that recovered in 24~ hours it molds.
-------------------- If I ever give out misinformation please inform me so I can have the correct information. Tmethyl said: Chuck Norris once roundhouse kicked a monotub that wasn't pinning fast enough. The force of the kick rearranged the genetics of the mushrooms, we now call them Penis Envy. Caps McGee said:
Fun part is figuring out what works best for you
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tryptkaloids
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: van hatton]
#24925209 - 01/19/18 09:37 AM (6 years, 11 days ago) |
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I g2g'd one that recovered in less than that and it's going strong
-------------------- "Remember, kids, the difference between science and screwing around is writing it down" -adam savage Flowchart for Recommended plan of action. Learn the tried and true way to grow mushrooms Use the Damn search engine After you know what you're doing, take a break Pick a book, Make some chips! Josex said:Don't take the site seriously bro, ain't worth it.
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van hatton
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#24925213 - 01/19/18 09:39 AM (6 years, 11 days ago) |
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I have some with 12 hour recovery but I'm not gunna expand them just spawn. I don't wanna risk fucking them up
-------------------- If I ever give out misinformation please inform me so I can have the correct information. Tmethyl said: Chuck Norris once roundhouse kicked a monotub that wasn't pinning fast enough. The force of the kick rearranged the genetics of the mushrooms, we now call them Penis Envy. Caps McGee said:
Fun part is figuring out what works best for you
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hamloaf
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: van hatton]
#24925217 - 01/19/18 09:41 AM (6 years, 11 days ago) |
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van hatton said:
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van hatton said: Would you spawn a jar that recovered in 24~ hours
Because I swear that if I spawn a jar that recovered in 24~ hours it molds.
24 hour recovery is spot on. Now, if full colonization was achieved in 24 hours after being shook, then there would be causes for concern.
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Ferather
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: hamloaf]
#24925237 - 01/19/18 09:51 AM (6 years, 11 days ago) |
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I'm not so sure, but then you guys are talking about grains, I got fast 8 hour recovery with Cubensis here and here. However, the setup was modified to work at this speed, the peg contains sucrose + nitrogen.
The nitrogen being used is ammoniacal and ureic, both good.
I also get 12 hour recovery and growth on T-Gel.
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Josex
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: hamloaf] 1
#24925242 - 01/19/18 09:54 AM (6 years, 11 days ago) |
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Fuck rules. There are many factors at play for how fast myc will recover. Cold temps, vigor of the culture, overcooking grains, water content of the grains...
You gotta trust your eyes. Mold can be a sneaky asshole, but bacteria usually isn't.
Best test if you aren't sure? Break up the jar upon hitting 100% colonization. Taking that you didn't let the jar over consolidate and that your grain prep was on point, the myc should break up very easily with a few light taps on your thigh.
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hamloaf
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Josex]
#24925247 - 01/19/18 09:56 AM (6 years, 11 days ago) |
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You're not listening. If full colonization is reached in 24 hours then there are problems. Don't care who you are.
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tryptkaloids
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: hamloaf] 2
#24925249 - 01/19/18 09:59 AM (6 years, 11 days ago) |
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We know... We are talking recovery times. Not colonization times
-------------------- "Remember, kids, the difference between science and screwing around is writing it down" -adam savage Flowchart for Recommended plan of action. Learn the tried and true way to grow mushrooms Use the Damn search engine After you know what you're doing, take a break Pick a book, Make some chips! Josex said:Don't take the site seriously bro, ain't worth it.
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van hatton
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Josex]
#24925251 - 01/19/18 10:00 AM (6 years, 11 days ago) |
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It's usually easy to break apart. If it's not no thanks. The overall vigor of the mycelium on some jars so not impressive.
Sneaky like I lost a jar with blantent trich on the top of it. I looked thru all my jars and I seriously can't find it.
-------------------- If I ever give out misinformation please inform me so I can have the correct information. Tmethyl said: Chuck Norris once roundhouse kicked a monotub that wasn't pinning fast enough. The force of the kick rearranged the genetics of the mushrooms, we now call them Penis Envy. Caps McGee said:
Fun part is figuring out what works best for you
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bodhisatta 
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: hamloaf]
#24925254 - 01/19/18 10:01 AM (6 years, 11 days ago) |
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What's that have to do with anything lol that's obvious to anyone but a complete noob
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tryptkaloids said: We know... We are talking recovery times. Not colonization times
Yep
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Josex
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: hamloaf] 2
#24925257 - 01/19/18 10:03 AM (6 years, 11 days ago) |
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hamloaf said: You're not listening. If full colonization is reached in 24 hours then there are problems. Don't care who you are.
I got you meant. Wasn't actually addressing your post, so no need to get all ruffled up. If you get full colonization in 24 hours you probably have mold I guess that's what you were referring to.
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hamloaf said: Don't care who you are.
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Ferather
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: bodhisatta] 1
#24925259 - 01/19/18 10:04 AM (6 years, 11 days ago) |
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hamloaf is still accurate, here is 24 hour recovery, obviously not 100% colonized.

Larger in scale, but still relevant.
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hamloaf
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids] 1
#24925261 - 01/19/18 10:04 AM (6 years, 11 days ago) |
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tryptkaloids said: We know... We are talking recovery times. Not colonization times
Ah, the cursing threw me a little bit. But, yea when talking shaking, or grain to grain transfer recovery time is very rapid.
Edit to add; sorry Josex. I didn't mean anything by it.
Edited by hamloaf (01/19/18 10:05 AM)
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van hatton
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: bodhisatta]
#24925268 - 01/19/18 10:06 AM (6 years, 11 days ago) |
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If your talking about the jar with trich duh I'm just saying I completely lost it. I've looked everywhere checked all the jars 2 times at this point about to go check a 3rd.
Anyways. Yes recovery small amount of growth can be seen after being shaken over x period of time.
-------------------- If I ever give out misinformation please inform me so I can have the correct information. Tmethyl said: Chuck Norris once roundhouse kicked a monotub that wasn't pinning fast enough. The force of the kick rearranged the genetics of the mushrooms, we now call them Penis Envy. Caps McGee said:
Fun part is figuring out what works best for you
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Ferather]
#24925269 - 01/19/18 10:06 AM (6 years, 11 days ago) |
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I dug a hole this afternoon and nailed a thermometer.. I noticed That the underground soil here in the tropics maintains a relatively adequate stable temperature day&night, under a tree in an soil field.. But back in our old concrete home basement has huge swing day&night.
Nature is wonderfull providing all the variable you guys mentioned. Stable temp, fae, light, food.
Cool Stable temp is one of the hardest to achived indoors specially in a tropical settngs.
Edited by pacmanbreed (01/19/18 11:17 AM)
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Ferather
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: pacmanbreed]
#24925278 - 01/19/18 10:08 AM (6 years, 11 days ago) |
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pacmanbreed said:
I dug a hole this afternoon and nailed a thermometer.. I noticed That the underground soil here in the tropics maintains a relatively adequate stable temperature day&night, under a tree in an soil field.. But back in our old concrete home basement has huge swing day&night.
Nature is wonderfull providing all the variable you guys mentioned. Stable temp, fae, light, food.
Cool Stable temp is one of the hardest to achived indoors specially in a tropical settngs.
Hmmm, so will you dig a hole and put a tent or roof over it, and use the under heating as a grow setup?
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