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mushboy
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TheMadHatter420 said: Are you able to explain how you get some of these things to work?
nope. i cant. give me a few to build a proper response. not that i need too but fukkit, i take this shit way, way to seriously..
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mushboy
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TheMadHatter420 said: I just don't understand how the fuck to get still air.
thats a great question bro. i have no fuckin clue. if i could figure it out id write it out. but yah know..
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#24924054 - 01/18/18 07:05 PM (6 years, 12 days ago) |
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TheMadHatter420 said: Are you able to explain how you get some of these things to work?
nope. i cant. give me a few to build a proper response. not that i need too but fukkit, i take this shit way, way to seriously..

Just so you know, I was not being a smart ass. It was something I was never able to get and didn't know if you had figured out why it works for you and not some of us. Your damn right this is some serious shit, this is one of mycology's biggest mysteries, lol.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: JHOVA]
#24924055 - 01/18/18 07:06 PM (6 years, 12 days ago) |
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Post a video of you doing shit, Hatter. The air may be still, but you're doing something else wrong, like having open hands on plates or something (doubt that's your issue, just making obvious example).
Anyway, I wipe down basically everything I put into my SAB beforehand and once in there, including petri dishes and whatever instruments. The exception is when I go straight from PC to SAB and they still get wiped once in there. My contam rate is pretty damn low, I'd say, especially with transfers.
Nothing conclusive, but I noticed my contam rates on plates went down dramatically after switching from X-acto blades to a real scalpel. I figured the screw-on tips might've been dirty every time, whereas my 1-piece scalpel can be wiped with a rag very easy (or dipped into solution, which I could've done with X-acto, but never did).
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dude im literally having a blast i love talkin this shit. even if im wrong. i like seeing others peoples opinions.
sometimes you hear some real from everyone. me included. fukkit i love shrooms.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy] 5
#24924060 - 01/18/18 07:08 PM (6 years, 12 days ago) |
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its not about that. by standard definition i have awful tek. grainbrain just said that. but yet i dont have any of these problems you guys encounter and bitch about so much. im a fuckin tard sometimes but yet.... i dont have these issues.. its not boasting dude. its trying to share a lesson i learned.
a lesson a lot of people on here seem to ignore.
First of all, I didn't say anything about your technique, but since you brought it up... I've seen your grows over the last couple years here and you really should not be taking lead in giving anyone advice.
Furthermore, this isn't the first time I've called you out here for shitting all over someone else's technique and being belligerent in your own ignorance. The most recent case being Morelman's GH grow where you spent plenty of time telling him that his bacterial substrate was not going to fruit & that he should trash it. You were wrong, this happens a lot.
You spend all day, every day here and have a lot of ego invested in your online persona. This can be detrimental to the collective knowledge base, especially when you're shouting down others with your "lessons learned".
Good luck in your future endeavors.
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TheMadHatter420
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stareatclouds said: Post a video of you doing shit, Hatter. The air may be still, but you're doing something else wrong, like having open hands on plates or something (doubt that's your issue, just making obvious example).
Anyway, I wipe down basically everything I put into my SAB beforehand and once in there, including petri dishes and whatever instruments. The exception is when I go straight from PC to SAB and they still get wiped once in there. My contam rate is pretty damn low, I'd say, especially with transfers.
I used the incense method to watch. I could never get air still enough. Now I just use a hood and the SAB is buried off to the side in the basement. If I was making a really dumb sterile tek mistake that same mistake should have given me issues with the hood.
I will say things got harder when I went from standing and looking down, to sitting and looking in.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: grainbrain]
#24924070 - 01/18/18 07:12 PM (6 years, 12 days ago) |
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mushboy said: fhs wont solve bad technique. which they wont.
I agree 100% thats why I said
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a flow hood is no replacement for good technique
They arent magic, but they are the difference between a handsaw and a worm drive circular saw. If you canโt cut a straight line with a handsaw you sure as fuck canโt with the circular saw. But no matter how good you are with the handsaw it limits your productivity after a certain point. And a guy whoโs halfway decent with a circular saw will cut circles around a master craftsman with a handsaw. Its all about fitting the right tool to the right job, and to the abilities of the user.
Sorry for flaming, got me a couple hour ban out of the deal..
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bodhisatta said: Also wiping with iso is also helpful for physical removal of contamination. Including things that may not be killed.
This is all I was saying.
Sure you can do SAB work in a dumpster with hands covered in garbage juice if you have percect technique, But if following proper sanitation procedures will greatly increase your odds of success then why not follow them? Some things boil down to matter of preference but we are talking about food here after all.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: grainbrain]
#24924073 - 01/18/18 07:13 PM (6 years, 12 days ago) |
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grainbrain said: Morelman's GH grow .

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I've seen your grows over the last couple years here and you really should not be taking lead in giving anyone advice.
taking lead? whos taking lead?? this is a public debate kinda thing. everyone is allowed to steer the ship. keep that mentality away from me bro.
good luck to you too.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: AyePlus]
#24924078 - 01/18/18 07:15 PM (6 years, 12 days ago) |
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If I was making a really dumb sterile tek mistake that same mistake should have given me issues with the hood.
Is this true though? I've never used a LFH and am far from knowledgeable on their functionality, but wouldn't a hand over an open plate be different in a LFH than SAB? I thought the laminar flow of sterile air would push anything falling down way past the plate, but SAB would just fall straight down.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#24924079 - 01/18/18 07:16 PM (6 years, 12 days ago) |
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if you plan on answering all my questions then you are fuking awesome. you would be the first to do that. i'm asking so many questions. i'm brand new to this.
Can polyfil touch substrate?
Can a liner be cut high if the holes with polyfil are too low for a good spawn to coir ratio when in a FC?
is 86 degrees Fahrenheit to hot for a grow room with a FC that has a light over it?
what does too much spraying look like. tiny droplets on stuff, or puddles?
during FC colonization of sub it should not be aired out and it should get 2 sprays in the morning and 2 at night?
I'm using bucket tek for coir. -using 4 sprays a day during colonization is probably the maximum you should spray?
what is the best coir to spawn ratio?
on the first grow i got complacent and didn't realize my neglect and not following common practices to the t was a big deal. whoops. the whole thing dried out and i think it's irrecoverable.
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TheMadHatter420
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: AyePlus]
#24924086 - 01/18/18 07:20 PM (6 years, 12 days ago) |
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SAB vs FH is kind of like a Bike VS Car when going 50 miles away. Some of us can do it just fine on a bike, some of us will need the car to get there easier. Both get you to the same destination, one cost more than another, but one also makes it harder to get there than the other. At the end of the day, if you reached your destination with your method than its all good. But just because someone cant get there with your method, doesn't mean they cant get there with mine. A flow hood CAN, but doesn't always fix issues. It all depends on your issue. If your a noob and only done 5 transfers, stay with the sab until you figure out sterile tek. If you have been at it for a year+, learned a lot about sterile tek and have mixed results, well then a FH might fix a majority of your issues. HOWEVER that does NOT mean it will fix flaws in your sterile tek or that it allows you to be sloppy with it. It simply helps take out variables, such as drafts.
@ Stare, I know mine isn't true laminar flow. I would think those mistakes would haunt me still. I also just thought about it, and many of my problems occurred around the time I went from the closet to the basement. I know my basement has drafts in it. I am not 100% sure what my problem was, all I know for sure is I run 40-60 plates a week now, and the issues are gone.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: TheDarkHeart]
#24924088 - 01/18/18 07:21 PM (6 years, 12 days ago) |
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TheDarkHeart said: if you plan on answering all my questions then you are fuking awesome. you would be the first to do that. i'm asking so many questions. i'm brand new to this. cool Can polyfil touch substrate? hella yah Can a liner be cut high if the holes with polyfil are too low for a good spawn to coir ratio when in a FC? yup. i do that with gorilla tape cause i botched a monos holes is 86 degrees Fahrenheit to hot for a grow room with a FC that has a light over it? thats hot for a grow room. the substrate produces heat on its own.. youll be plus 90. no good what does too much spraying look like. tiny droplets on stuff, or puddles? ill pm a pic latr. too lazy but search for it or que someone else during FC colonization of sub it should not be aired out and it should get 2 sprays in the morning and 2 at night? you should not mist a sub while in spawn run. that means your moisture content is off. fruit at spawning. look it up using bucket tek for coir. using 4 sprays a day during colonization is probably the maximum you should spray? when it needs it. dont get stuck in routines. and its a learning curve. put your feelings on the back burner and get over it what is the best coir to spawn ratio? what ever you want i like 1:1 and 1:2 currently doing lots of 1:4 and 1:5. pics later
on the first grow i got complacent and didn't realize my neglect was a big deal. whoops be proud of your mistakes fuck it. the shrooms know why you fucked up anyway.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: TheDarkHeart]
#24924089 - 01/18/18 07:22 PM (6 years, 12 days ago) |
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TheDarkHeart said: if you plan on answering all my questions then you are fuking awesome. you would be the first to do that. i'm asking so many questions. i'm brand new to this.
Can polyfil touch substrate?1
Can a liner be cut high if the holes with polyfil are too low for a good spawn to coir ratio when in a FC?
is 86 degrees Fahrenheit to hot for a grow room with a FC that has a light over it?
what does too much spraying look like. tiny droplets on stuff, or puddles?
during FC colonization of sub it should not be aired out and it should get 2 sprays in the morning and 2 at night?
using bucket tek for coir. using 4 sprays a day during colonization is probably the maximum you should spray?
what is the best coir to spawn ratio?
on the first grow i got complacent and didn't realize my neglect was a big deal. whoops
1 yes 2 best to cut slightly above dub level but no biggie either way 3it is pushing it but they are tropical so by definition it is fine 4 just leave it...nothing till it has colonized 5mist as needed...never set an amount some teks it is not needed 6 1:1 to 1:4 7 gl
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: TheDarkHeart]
#24924091 - 01/18/18 07:23 PM (6 years, 12 days ago) |
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JHOVA said: How can we say pour lc without a lid at all or LI as tekโs prescribe and then say that 15 seconds will contam open plates?
I just finished with the experiment. Left 7 plates open inside the SAB, for 15 sec, 30 sec, 1 min, 2 min, 5min, 10min and 20 min.
Iยดll start posting results in about a week and update from there on.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mateja]
#24924101 - 01/18/18 07:27 PM (6 years, 12 days ago) |
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Now this is just a brain fart, but after each interval you had to reach in and seal the dish. Did you start with all them open at the same time or did you do one at a time. I would think starting with all of them open and reaching in would keep stiring air up. Not sure if this will fuck with results.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mateja]
#24924104 - 01/18/18 07:28 PM (6 years, 12 days ago) |
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JHOVA said: How can we say pour lc without a lid at all or LI as tekโs prescribe and then say that 15 seconds will contam open plates?
I just finished with the experiment. Left 7 plates open inside the SAB, for 15 sec, 30 sec, 1 min, 2 min, 5min, 10min and 20 min.
Iยดll start posting results in about a week and update from there on.

@MH420 wouldnt that be like real world in a sab when doing culture work or grain to grain?
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TheMadHatter420
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: JHOVA]
#24924109 - 01/18/18 07:32 PM (6 years, 12 days ago) |
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Yes and no. Not much time to let air settle in between the 15 and 30 sec dish. In RW we would not, or at least I didn't, start the transfer right after setting something in the SAB. I also wouldn't see us moving something in with an open dish in the SAB. It will still be interesting and something for reference.
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TheMadHatter420 said: Now this is just a brain fart, but after each interval you had to reach in and seal the dish. Did you start with all them open at the same time or did you do one at a time. I would think starting with all of them open and reaching in would keep stiring air up. Not sure if this will fuck with results. 
I stacked all 7 at the corner of the rack and pulled out the dish from the top, placed it in the center of the rack and lifted the lid with one hand, held the lid in one had away from the dish and placed it back on after 15 sec. I did this for the first three dishes 15, 30 and 1min.
when I did 2min,5min,10min,20min, I lifted the lid off and placed it on the stack of petris and left the room, when there is 30 sec left I come back into the room, iso my left hand and stick it in gently and put the lid on, place the dish back in the corner and place the next dish in the center and open it up and leave the room.
The dishes went straight into freeze bags after pouring so they are very clean on the outside.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mateja]
#24924119 - 01/18/18 07:35 PM (6 years, 12 days ago) |
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 That's some good thinking!
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