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Mateja


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#24919728 - 01/17/18 12:18 AM (6 years, 14 days ago) |
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mushboy said: ive got higher strength mae documented in mmy notes but i either forgot to record, or never did 1% mea
people should play around with agar % more. i like finding what works best for me. the results can be rather contrary
Mycelium on my 1% MEA plates looks like it´s starving a bit. Much thicker growth on the 2% plates.
I believe I posted those plates in the shoe box thread.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mateja]
#24919732 - 01/17/18 12:22 AM (6 years, 14 days ago) |
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oh shit thats right. i knew that sounded familiar. 
edit: and i remembered it being too low. fuck. i knew i should of checked shroomery before making agar. noob alert.
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Mateja


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#24919733 - 01/17/18 12:27 AM (6 years, 14 days ago) |
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I also wish I din´t make so many of the 1% plates, I don´t feel like using them now. They will come out during rainy days when I´m out of plates.
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00Burnout
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#24919743 - 01/17/18 12:36 AM (6 years, 14 days ago) |
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I never recorded recipes, there's a lot of documenting I haven't done that I should, especially lately. I'll worry about data entry once I move and upscale my operation.
I've never gotten my head around percentages with agar recipes, haven't taken the time to do the math and I find it easier to display recipes by weight anyway, especially when first getting into agar. I hate MATH (Mental Abuse To Humans) and stick with basic arithmetic when I can lol.
From what I can tell my atl7 loves these oats, but I've never used any other grain. I just hit the 1 month mark and some of my jars have some monster stones in them. I saw stone formation a little under 2 weeks from inoculation.
Oat prep is soooooo easy. I boil for 30-45 minutes (or until some grains start to burst) strain and load up. I've only lost a couple jars and that's my fault for either loading up grains that were too wet or botching inoculation.
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van hatton
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: 00Burnout]
#24919745 - 01/17/18 12:38 AM (6 years, 14 days ago) |
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I've been trying to record more stuff it just makes it easier.
I'll bust out those oats
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00Burnout
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: van hatton]
#24919748 - 01/17/18 12:44 AM (6 years, 14 days ago) |
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Have fun with em bro, and have a snack on hand, the whole house will smell like oatmeal. My girl hated when I did brf cakes (don't we all hate that smell) but loves the oats lol.
I'm drunk, lazy, and don't feel like thinking lol, how do you guys calculate percentages in agar recipes? I'm sure the equation is on here somewhere but FUTSF lol
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Edited by 00Burnout (01/17/18 12:45 AM)
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Mateja


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: 00Burnout]
#24919828 - 01/17/18 02:47 AM (6 years, 13 days ago) |
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Calculating agar in percentages is the easiest thing ever 
100g water, 2g agar, 2g malt extract. Or.. 100% water, 2% agar, 2% malt extract. Can´t get easier than that 
500ml water and 5g malt extract means it´s 1% strength. If you´re gonna say how much malt extract you used in weight then you must also say how much water you used or I wont understand how you made your media. But when you say percentage then I know right away how much of everything you used
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Mateja


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mateja]
#24919841 - 01/17/18 03:09 AM (6 years, 13 days ago) |
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I´m making a bunch of BRF cakes and verm/ground up oatmeal cakes right now in 1/2 pint cakes for an experiment. I wanna see how they colonize respectively. The oatmeal cakes have 2:1:2 ratio. I simply had to double the amount of oatmeal flour to get to a desirable consistency. Oatmeal is much cheaper than BRF and more common in house holds. If this experiment confirms that 2:1:2 ratio of oatmeal works as good as 2:1:1 ratio of BRF then maybe it´s time to switch over to the cheaper option, at least for me. I know that BRF is unique and that it´s packed with the good stuff, this time proven recipe should never change. But it would be nice to find out that oatmeal works as well just in case, it´s always good to know that one has options.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mateja]
#24919965 - 01/17/18 06:09 AM (6 years, 13 days ago) |
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mushboy said: ive got higher strength mae documented in mmy notes but i either forgot to record, or never did 1% mea
people should play around with agar % more. i like finding what works best for me. the results can be rather contrary
Same with stiffness...Both effect the charactaristics of the myc.
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TheMadHatter420
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Crispykoot]
#24919986 - 01/17/18 06:27 AM (6 years, 13 days ago) |
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I have been rocking 6.5g LME and 8-9g agar per 500ml. It has been working nicely for me and when I transfer wedges, they suction down to the new plate and slip off the scalpel more easily. But my LME came from a brewer and could vary in nutrition from what I had gotten from outgrow. This agar is also telephone brand, where as the last was from outgrow. With their supplies the standard 2-2-100ml worked fine.
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pacmanbreed


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Whats is the best percentage you get with brf agar?
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van hatton
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Brewery lme
This agar i got is not cool.
I prefer a slightly smaller % of agar for blenderless li. It just breaks up so easy but still has the solidness(?) Of 10-500ml
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00Burnout
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: van hatton]
#24920167 - 01/17/18 08:50 AM (6 years, 13 days ago) |
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Wow I was a little drunk last night, converting agar recipes is easy. For whatever reason I was thinking that the volume of water had to be converted to weight when I can just weigh it out lol damn I make things overly complicated for myself sometimes.
You're math is a little off though mateah, unless you're from another dimension where total values can exceed 100% I get what you're saying though.
Brewer's lme is all I've ever used, and I've used it with lab grade agar (BD bacto agar) that we have laying around the brewery. It's expensive shit but your plates come out crystal clear. Here lately I've been using NOW foods agar, definitely not as pure but it works just the same.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: pacmanbreed] 1
#24920171 - 01/17/18 08:53 AM (6 years, 13 days ago) |
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pacmanbreed said: Whats is the best percentage you get with brf agar?
i like no more than 1.5% filtering sucks so i dont do it and the more brf you add the goopier the broth. 6g brf. 9g agar 500ml water. i use ~8g for softer agar. and filtering grain flour will throw your end nute % off. i dont care what anyone says, you filter grain flour, you alter the nutes.
just like, my opinion, man
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00Burnout
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#24920325 - 01/17/18 10:07 AM (6 years, 13 days ago) |
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I'm debating whether or not I want to whip up a batch of oats and use that lc. Also, it's picture day for my atl7 jars!
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: 00Burnout]
#24920457 - 01/17/18 11:00 AM (6 years, 13 days ago) |
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00Burnout said: Wow I was a little drunk last night, converting agar recipes is easy. For whatever reason I was thinking that the volume of water had to be converted to weight when I can just weigh it out lol damn I make things overly complicated for myself sometimes.
You're math is a little off though mateah, unless you're from another dimension where total values can exceed 100% I get what you're saying though.
Brewer's lme is all I've ever used, and I've used it with lab grade agar (BD bacto agar) that we have laying around the brewery. It's expensive shit but your plates come out crystal clear. Here lately I've been using NOW foods agar, definitely not as pure but it works just the same.
Water is special in that it's volume is equal to it's weight
100g of water is equal to 100mL of water. 100g=100mL=100cc
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#24920501 - 01/17/18 11:20 AM (6 years, 13 days ago) |
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mushboy said: i like no more than 1.5% filtering sucks so i dont do it and the more brf you add the goopier the broth. 6g brf. 9g agar 500ml water. i use ~8g for softer agar. and filtering grain flour will throw your end nute % off. i dont care what anyone says, you filter grain flour, you alter the nutes.
just like, my opinion, man
Really Appreciate it. Planning to switch since malt is expensive in our area than brf. Saves me time from experementing. Thanks for the percentage brother.
I also notice that agar % has factors playing upon my reishi dishes. Makes me wanna use specially if i mixed stifer agar. Feels like ur cutting a ligament using a new scalpel. 2.25% took 2.5 weeks to colonize. Usefull if planning to delay workload And isolating penetrative growth, Specially for innoculating logs. I guess this can be applied to other species.
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00Burnout
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: pacmanbreed]
#24920581 - 01/17/18 12:04 PM (6 years, 13 days ago) |
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Thanks natedawgnow, I remember learning that in high school chemistry now lol. Funny how quickly you forget shit like that, especially since chemistry was my favorite class. I should've taken ap chem but I opted out of all my ap classes, huuuuuge mistake.
The places I'd be if I actually would've put some effort in during high school. I graduated with a 3.75 gpa but I could've done dual enrollment.
Oh well, the choices I've made brought me to where I am now and I'm happy.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: 00Burnout]
#24920874 - 01/17/18 02:31 PM (6 years, 13 days ago) |
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A few months back I posted a link to a craigslist ad for a 25X that was $400. I offered $350 and they said no, fast forward to now, and they listed it again for $325.
You can tell by the way they worded it they just want to get rid of it
Time to lowball em for $250 cash
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Germs]
#24920884 - 01/17/18 02:34 PM (6 years, 13 days ago) |
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I'd offer $200
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