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mushboy
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: hamloaf]
#24913653 - 01/14/18 02:06 PM (6 years, 16 days ago) |
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cats know whats up dude. dont judge them just cause they disapprove of you
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tombosley8
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: hamloaf]
#24913658 - 01/14/18 02:08 PM (6 years, 16 days ago) |
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so is the fan the culprit of my failing sfds?
I guess that is the "bad procedure" that I am blaming on the sfd.
Well I'd like to have more safety than that and be able to have my jars anywhere and not worry about a fan or what not.
So if the procedure is correct for me then the tool is inadequate. I need a better tool for my situation thus the micropore over sfd's ftw.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: hamloaf]
#24913659 - 01/14/18 02:08 PM (6 years, 16 days ago) |
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hamloaf said: SFDs are once and done. They last a lifetime.
isnt that kinda naive to think? thats like saying a light bulb should last forever. how do sfd companies make money if they last a lifetime?
Think it's naive to say something is naive if no experiance is had with something. That's also by definition ignorant. Comparing SFDs to light bulbs is like comparing apples to oranges. New people entering this hobby is one way how they keep selling. Also, people tend to make mistakes with things and are quick to blame the tool rather than their own procedures.
i said it can be naive to trust a 'vendor label' geeeez. i was just asking man. and i have a sfd in my hand right now homie.
its always the procedure. at least we agree on that.
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tombosley8 said: I need a better tool for my situation thus the micropore over sfd's ftw.
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hamloaf
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#24913662 - 01/14/18 02:10 PM (6 years, 16 days ago) |
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Expansion of ones' necessities in the hobby is another way SFDs stay and will continue to be in demand.
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mushboy
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: hamloaf]
#24913668 - 01/14/18 02:12 PM (6 years, 16 days ago) |
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imo sfds are a rich mans luxury. ill stick to simple tools instead of lining someones pockets with my pennies.
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hamloaf
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#24913681 - 01/14/18 02:16 PM (6 years, 16 days ago) |
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Depends on volume being ran. For some it's impractical to have to replace filter material every X amount of times though the sterilizer. SFDs are about 20 dollars shipped to your door for 125mm sized ones that come 12 in a pack. If they are cut to a nickel size 16 filters can be had per disk. Multiply that 12 and divide it by only needing to be purchased once.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: hamloaf]
#24913695 - 01/14/18 02:23 PM (6 years, 16 days ago) |
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but then i have to mod lids and ill fuck that up for sure.
i replace my tyvek square every 4th or 5th run. i dont run 100s of jars at once anymore. but if i did batches of 100s at once it would be a pain.
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AyePlus
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mycolorado]
#24913696 - 01/14/18 02:23 PM (6 years, 16 days ago) |
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Mycolorado said: Typically, if it’s not ms, people refer to it as TC, clones or isolates, so it kinda is already differentiated that way...or, unless one of those things is stated, you can safely assume it’s ms.
Pardon my ignorance but what is TC?
Another way I’ve read on here of referring to Ms> Agar>Agar>Agar etc. is calling it limited genetics.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#24913703 - 01/14/18 02:26 PM (6 years, 16 days ago) |
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I have a hard time believing an sfd can last forever. It's a filter material and thus traps particulate matter, eventually I'm sure it won't be as effective for GE. How long is beyond me because like mushboy said, it's a rich man's luxury, and I don't use them. I could be completely wrong though.
Polyfil is super cheap and if someone really wanted to they could fold and iron it until it's essentially an sfd.
I'm by no means saying sfd's aren't a good thing, I just think people hype them up a bit much
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: 00Burnout]
#24913707 - 01/14/18 02:28 PM (6 years, 16 days ago) |
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Polyfil done right imo is better than an sfd at least for mush cult.
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tombosley8
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: van hatton]
#24913714 - 01/14/18 02:32 PM (6 years, 16 days ago) |
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 ftw
I change the micropore when it starts looking dirty or it's starts wearing through.
I can make each lid in about 15 seconds from start to finish: melting hole with soldering iron, using torch to melt felt on, then razorblade a doubled up square of mp and place on.
I'm not exagerating either, it's really that easy. And there is no waiting time for glue to dry.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: 00Burnout]
#24913722 - 01/14/18 02:34 PM (6 years, 16 days ago) |
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Still cant source good filter. Hope it will serve me some shrooms in time.

Do you change ur polyfill every couple of runs?
Edited by pacmanbreed (01/14/18 02:36 PM)
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hamloaf
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: 00Burnout]
#24913723 - 01/14/18 02:35 PM (6 years, 16 days ago) |
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Don't kick them around like soccer balls and they will. They are designed to not decrease in pore size no matter how many times they are ran through the sterilizer like medical grade tyvek wrist sleeves. Had both of them around for 5 plus years being used heavily and they are still going strong. There's also no gain for them to be hyped up unless having a business that sells them.
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mushboy
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: hamloaf]
#24913730 - 01/14/18 02:40 PM (6 years, 16 days ago) |
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are you a sponsor hamloaf?
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tombosley8
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#24913753 - 01/14/18 02:46 PM (6 years, 16 days ago) |
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this is the thick/stiff felt that I get for 1.50 a sheet.
 they bond to the melted plastic much better than sfds as well
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hamloaf
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tombosley8]
#24913759 - 01/14/18 02:49 PM (6 years, 16 days ago) |
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Something to consider would be that that material isn't designed to not increase in pore size by endlessly being ran through the sterilizer like hobby specific SFDs.
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tombosley8
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: hamloaf]
#24913771 - 01/14/18 02:55 PM (6 years, 16 days ago) |
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I understand but so far so good and with the micropore being replaced so often I'm not worried about it. I have ones with sfds that I use as side by sides tests to be sure as well. but I have to use MP on those or I get a small percentage failed probably because of the airflow I have in the room. Adding MP is the only solution so far. really the felt is just pressed/ironed polyfil I think so it should be as good or better than stuffed poly imo
and with two layers mp on top of that nearly as good as sfds. Having to replace the mp is so easy and only takes a few seconds per lid. and that's only every 5 pc cycles or so.
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hamloaf
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tombosley8]
#24913793 - 01/14/18 03:06 PM (6 years, 16 days ago) |
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The material can actually decrease, as well as, increase in pore size if not designed to be ran through the sterilizer endlessly.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: hamloaf]
#24913803 - 01/14/18 03:10 PM (6 years, 16 days ago) |
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What is the effectiveness of verm as a bulk sub on its own
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#24913816 - 01/14/18 03:15 PM (6 years, 16 days ago) |
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Sounds really expensive and you might have to case it.
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