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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: AyePlus]
    #24913219 - 01/14/18 10:54 AM (6 years, 16 days ago)

:whathesaid:

They are also known as moss.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: hamloaf] * 1
    #24913231 - 01/14/18 10:58 AM (6 years, 16 days ago)

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They are also known as moss.



Moss actually is a plant. Not a lichen.
Moss and lichens are not related


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24913244 - 01/14/18 11:02 AM (6 years, 16 days ago)

Correct, however incorrect for lichen will also be referred to as moss...


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: hamloaf]
    #24913246 - 01/14/18 11:04 AM (6 years, 16 days ago)

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They are also known as moss.



Mosses are bryophytes, aka small flowerless plants that lack a vascular system.  Try again..

Known as and misunderstood as are very different things


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: AyePlus]
    #24913249 - 01/14/18 11:06 AM (6 years, 16 days ago)

The only reason someone would call a lichen a moss is because of ignorance about them.

Something like reindeer moss is just a common name. A misnomer embedded into language.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24913269 - 01/14/18 11:12 AM (6 years, 16 days ago)

You both are correct.  Was just pointing out that they are referre to as moss as well.  Try again, AyePlus.  :dumblol:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24913274 - 01/14/18 11:13 AM (6 years, 16 days ago)

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Lichen are fungus + bacteria. They're still symbiotic not merged. In fact the bacteria and fungi can be separated and they will grow like they normally do by themselves. The symbiotic creation is a lichen. They appear like plants sometimes but are not fungi+plants





Thanks Bodhi. They can be fungus + algae as well. Freaky stuff.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: crowseed]
    #24913278 - 01/14/18 11:15 AM (6 years, 16 days ago)

Yes fungi plus bacteria or algae. Or both.

We as humans rely on many many different organisms for our bodies to function. In a way we're a symbiotic multi organism. Without our gut flora we would drop dead in a day.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24913307 - 01/14/18 11:25 AM (6 years, 16 days ago)

Found some stuff on the psychedelic lichen ...

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β€œIt was the most intense hallucinogenic experience that I’ve ever had, and I’ve done every trip there is,” says Icelandic writer Smari Einarsson. β€œDMT, peyote… you name it. We have these magic mushrooms here that grow wild. I’ve eaten those more times than I can count. They cannot even come close to the effect of these rocks.” Volcanic rocks, which cover the Icelandic landscape, have been getting local kids high for five years now, ever since a local artist did a performance piece called Rock Soup. Jon Sigmundson’s art piece was meant to make a commentary on Icelanders’ high standard of living, which he believes relies on taking for granted third-world suffering. He made Rock Soup, he said in a written statement, to β€œtry and live on nothing.” The serendipitous discovery he made is that these rocks get you fuggin’ wasted.

It is actually the lichen that lives on the rocks that gets you off. You take a few stones, boil them in a pot of water, strain it all through a colander, and drink it down like tea. Some people add ginger and honey, but it supposedly has a nice taste undiluted. It’s very earthy. People, who have β€˜taken stones’, as it’s called, share strikingly similar stories. β€œTrolls,” says a young Icelandic girl who was interviewed at the local Reykjavik bar Sirkus. β€œEvery time we do stones, we see the same group of trolls. They are no unkind, but they aren’t overly friendly either,” she says. β€œMostly what they do is advise you. You always come away from a stones trip with a question that you had on your mind answered. You also have the most vivid colours ever. It’s like living in Fantasia!”




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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24913329 - 01/14/18 11:33 AM (6 years, 16 days ago)

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You both are correct.  Was just pointing out that they are referre to as moss as well.  Try again, AyePlus.  :dumblol:




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The only reason someone would call a lichen a moss is because of ignorance about them





Lichens may be reffered to as moss but probably only by the same people who refer to mushrooms as plants.

There are some similarities but anyone who finished highschool biology should be able to tell the difference. If not they’re either ignorant or stupid.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: AyePlus]
    #24913330 - 01/14/18 11:34 AM (6 years, 16 days ago)

Not my place to judge people on their level of intelligence.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: hamloaf]
    #24913396 - 01/14/18 12:06 PM (6 years, 16 days ago)

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Not my place to judge people on their level of intelligence.



Ignorance does not equate to intellegence. Someone can be extremely smart and have no knowledge of a subject, doesn’t make them stupid, just ignorant. However if someone is presented with all pertinent facts and still unable to assimilate this information into their previous learned information, they just might not be the sharpest pencil in the box. Nothing wrong with that, it takes all kinds.

Not trying to judge anyone, just trying to clear up a very muddy subject. i mean c’mon  blue green algae is no longer considered an algae because its a prokayrote and algae is eurkaryotic. So now its a cyanobacteria?! Well it looks like an algae so people still call it that, confusing no? Just humans using words to classify things based on morphology, but sometimes humans use words that mean something different and just because its close enough to be understandable its accepted? Personally I think thats BS and should be nipped in the bud, language can be a beautiful descripive thought evoking thing or it can be grunts and moans. I’d prefer the former.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: crowseed]
    #24913403 - 01/14/18 12:10 PM (6 years, 16 days ago)

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Found some stuff on the psychedelic lichen ...

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β€œIt was the most intense hallucinogenic experience that I’ve ever had, and I’ve done every trip there is,” says Icelandic writer Smari Einarsson. β€œDMT, peyote… you name it. We have these magic mushrooms here that grow wild. I’ve eaten those more times than I can count. They cannot even come close to the effect of these rocks.” Volcanic rocks, which cover the Icelandic landscape, have been getting local kids high for five years now, ever since a local artist did a performance piece called Rock Soup. Jon Sigmundson’s art piece was meant to make a commentary on Icelanders’ high standard of living, which he believes relies on taking for granted third-world suffering. He made Rock Soup, he said in a written statement, to β€œtry and live on nothing.” The serendipitous discovery he made is that these rocks get you fuggin’ wasted.

It is actually the lichen that lives on the rocks that gets you off. You take a few stones, boil them in a pot of water, strain it all through a colander, and drink it down like tea. Some people add ginger and honey, but it supposedly has a nice taste undiluted. It’s very earthy. People, who have β€˜taken stones’, as it’s called, share strikingly similar stories. β€œTrolls,” says a young Icelandic girl who was interviewed at the local Reykjavik bar Sirkus. β€œEvery time we do stones, we see the same group of trolls. They are no unkind, but they aren’t overly friendly either,” she says. β€œMostly what they do is advise you. You always come away from a stones trip with a question that you had on your mind answered. You also have the most vivid colours ever. It’s like living in Fantasia!”




from http://psypressuk.com/2012/12/03/psychedelic-lichen/



I see people share stuff like this on other sites but I want to see the real chemical behind it,

Edit: After reading the whole thing it looks like it’s THC? Lolwut


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: AyePlus] * 1
    #24913409 - 01/14/18 12:14 PM (6 years, 16 days ago)

Can we start saying β€œinoculated with spore solution” instead of MS to grains? I’m still confused when people mean ms culture on grains and when they mean spore solution twas grains :shrug:
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mateja]
    #24913429 - 01/14/18 12:22 PM (6 years, 16 days ago)

Typically, if it’s not ms, people refer to it as TC, clones or isolates, so it kinda is already differentiated that way...or, unless one of those things is stated, you can safely assume it’s ms.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mateja]
    #24913430 - 01/14/18 12:23 PM (6 years, 16 days ago)

Most people would say they cleaned up some spores on agar or some form like
Spores > agar > grains > sub
Which could still be multispore
What other ways are you inoculating with spores that’s not in a solution?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mycolorado]
    #24913450 - 01/14/18 12:29 PM (6 years, 16 days ago)

I never use spore to grain so if you see me say ms then it's been cleaned up on agar.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mycolorado]
    #24913458 - 01/14/18 12:33 PM (6 years, 16 days ago)

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Typically, if it’s not ms, people refer to it as TC, clones or isolates, so it kinda is already differentiated that way...or, unless one of those things is stated, you can safely assume it’s ms.



Pardon my ignorance but what is TC?

Another way I’ve read on here of referring to Ms> Agar>Agar>Agar etc. is calling it limited genetics.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: AyePlus]
    #24913462 - 01/14/18 12:36 PM (6 years, 16 days ago)

Sorry...tissue culture, essentially a clone, without getting nit picky.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mycolorado]
    #24913470 - 01/14/18 12:41 PM (6 years, 16 days ago)

OIC, In my annotation I differentiate between pin clone and tissue culture by marking PC for pin clone, everything else is from tissue. That would be confusing in the context of the forum since we use it for pressure cooker, but written on a plate it works. Thanks for clearing that up.


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