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Josex
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Invader Zim] 1
#24912902 - 01/14/18 08:11 AM (6 years, 16 days ago) |
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Josex said: And you're a fucking noob. 
Says the noob? Everyone can see your registration date, you know that right???

You can grow for 20 years and you can be a noob. I wouldn't judge experience or knowledge based on a reg date, that's a very noobish thing to do, again.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Josex]
#24912904 - 01/14/18 08:13 AM (6 years, 16 days ago) |
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Josex said: Foil won't do anything to keep mold spores from reaching the lid, that's absurd. It's serves as a dust cover, that's about it.
Dust can't carry mold spores? You're absurd.
If I say that's absurd is because I know what I'm talking about. I've been dealing with god-awful mold problems for several months, where blank agar plates that were never opened contaminated to shit, becasue the plastic lid of no pour containers aren't perfect, however tight they may seem
Maybe you should have put a piece of foil over top and you might not have had those problems
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy] 1
#24912905 - 01/14/18 08:14 AM (6 years, 16 days ago) |
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I didn't mean to offend you mushboy. You were throwing attitude and got it back. Thats all. I asked you to ask others to get a better picture.
I'm sharing things that are true for me. I haven't had a SFD crack in front of the hepa but you have so I'll keep that in mind.
Yeah airflow in a spawn room can fuck your shit up. Take it or leave it...I have pounds to grow.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mycolorado]
#24912906 - 01/14/18 08:14 AM (6 years, 16 days ago) |
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Mycolorado said: Dang, that’s rough, Josex.
He says I'm absurd because I disagree with him.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#24912908 - 01/14/18 08:15 AM (6 years, 16 days ago) |
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The only filters I've ever seen fail were made with ezfelt that had been used too many times. I've got an insanely high spore load in my house, cetral air and a few fans running. Never once ha I seen SFDs, tyvek or pollyfill fail and I've run literally thousands of jars. I think you must be doing something else wrong. What kind of lids do you use?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Invader Zim]
#24912910 - 01/14/18 08:16 AM (6 years, 16 days ago) |
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Zim, trust jose. And like i said, i dont even use foil on my jar lids.
I found moisture build up under the foil to be a problem for my tyvek filters. They would stay too wet, then get brittle and crack as they dried. So i started to remove the foil fresh from the pc. Now i dont use any.
And even then. I havent had filter failure ruin grains. Ever. Sounds like crispy needs to look it up.
Edited by mushboy (01/14/18 08:19 AM)
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Josex
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Invader Zim]
#24912911 - 01/14/18 08:17 AM (6 years, 16 days ago) |
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Josex said: Foil won't do anything to keep mold spores from reaching the lid, that's absurd. It's serves as a dust cover, that's about it.
Dust can't carry mold spores? You're absurd.
If I say that's absurd is because I know what I'm talking about. I've been dealing with god-awful mold problems for several months, where blank agar plates that were never opened contaminated to shit, becasue the plastic lid of no pour containers aren't perfect, however tight they may seem
Maybe you should have put a piece of foil over top and you might not have had those problems
Dude you're getting increasingly facepalmy, did you even read the link I posted, that'll tell you something about what a foil cover can do for you.
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Josex said: Foil won't do anything to keep mold spores from reaching the lid, that's absurd. It's serves as a dust cover, that's about it.
Dust can't carry mold spores? You're absurd.
If I say that's absurd is because I know what I'm talking about. I've been dealing with god-awful mold problems for several months, where blank agar plates that were never opened contaminated to shit, becasue the plastic lid of no pour containers aren't perfect, however tight they may seem to close.
Also, https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24784138#24784138
It can be ok in some cases to sterilize a media bottle with agar that only has foil covering the neck. But you gotta use it quick when you take it still hot out of the pc, or at least wait for the agar to cool some in a SAB.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#24912912 - 01/14/18 08:18 AM (6 years, 16 days ago) |
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Crispy you never answered me about how long it takes before your control jars contaminate in a space with air movement?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: MudaFuka]
#24912930 - 01/14/18 08:27 AM (6 years, 16 days ago) |
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MudaFuka said: The only filters I've ever seen fail were made with ezfelt that had been used too many times. I've got an insanely high spore load in my house, cetral air and a few fans running. Never once ha I seen SFDs, tyvek or pollyfill fail and I've run literally thousands of jars. I think you must be doing something else wrong. What kind of lids do you use?
I use FP filters, plastic mason jar lids etc... I removed the ac this summer and the problem went away instantly. Night and day. Its not that they fail but they can get wet or can be a slightly imperfect fit and shit can happen that way.
I think when you have a small enclosed space like mine as a spawn room with that type of airflow and set of conditions shit can happen and it did. I had every colored tam under the sun for a short while..That in itself is very telling.
Mateah: I stopped the air movement ( this summer) and started running test jars (this winter) and my current one from 12/16 is still clean visually.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Crispykoot]
#24912933 - 01/14/18 08:30 AM (6 years, 16 days ago) |
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Multi colored contams is filter failure.
From drying them. It makes them brittle and crack. Maybe the ac was accelerating the main issue but not causing it.
Shit maybe im wrong. Maybe youre wrong
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MudaFuka
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Crispykoot]
#24912935 - 01/14/18 08:30 AM (6 years, 16 days ago) |
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Plastic lids arn't air tight to begin with. So if your using a whole filter under a plastic lid, I can see how air moment could be an issue.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: MudaFuka]
#24912937 - 01/14/18 08:32 AM (6 years, 16 days ago) |
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Fuck that. Id never use plastic for that reason if it is one
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#24912943 - 01/14/18 08:36 AM (6 years, 16 days ago) |
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Plastic lids are handy but they don't make a perfect seel. Especially when thy are heated up in a PC. Fill a jar with water and put on a plastic lid. Then turn it upside-down. 9 times out of 10 water will leak out.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Josex]
#24912944 - 01/14/18 08:37 AM (6 years, 16 days ago) |
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Josex you must be totally misunderstanding. I already said a few pages back I'm using 3 layers micropore tape, under the foil obviously.
You are comparing apples to oranges anyways; I'm using jars, with regular metal 2 piece screw down lids, your link talks about no-pour petris and #4 HDPE lids. Your lids do not make as tight of a seal as 2 piece metal lids. Get it?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#24912947 - 01/14/18 08:39 AM (6 years, 16 days ago) |
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Plastic lids have made things alot easier for me... I used to be into lots of agar and LI, lately I’ve just been shooting up MS and doing g2g. G2g used to intimidate me in thought, now I barely want to do anything else because of the ease.
I threw out all my cultures from last year (besides mexicana and woodlovers) and am starting fresh, gonna make syringes from multiple prints of different species/variety and try to find some good MS genetics to clone.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#24912955 - 01/14/18 08:42 AM (6 years, 16 days ago) |
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I put control plates n jars through out my house, 2 layers of micropore last about a month. Its almost always trich or white mold that gets through, rust from jar lids makes them fail at about 2- 3 weeks.
Ive got a mold free jar thats been sitting in my kitchen for about a month and a haft i noc'd up a few days ago, will update
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Germs]
#24912957 - 01/14/18 08:45 AM (6 years, 16 days ago) |
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That's kinda where I'm at. I haven't grown anything in over a year. I'm starting out from spores again.
I still use plastic lids for everything. I'm just really carfull with them and I picked up silicone gaskets for the ones I use for LCs.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: LemurLemur]
#24912964 - 01/14/18 08:49 AM (6 years, 16 days ago) |
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Remove the ring and the 2 piece becomes a 1 piece.
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Josex
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Invader Zim]
#24912989 - 01/14/18 09:03 AM (6 years, 16 days ago) |
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Invader Zim said: Josex you must be totally misunderstanding. I already said a few pages back I'm using 3 layers micropore tape, under the foil obviously.
You are comparing apples to oranges anyways; I'm using jars, with regular metal 2 piece screw down lids, your link talks about no-pour petris and #4 HDPE lids. Your lids do not make as tight of a seal as 2 piece metal lids. Get it?
I know you're using mp tape, I did from the start. So I guessed you were covering with foil as a way to protect what can be a not very ideal filter. To a human mind it almost makes sense the foil will prevent spores from reaching the lid, but we forget how ridiculously tiny and ubiquitous these things are, and they'll reach the lid easily for sure. Maybe the foil can prevent bigger particles from reaching the lid and in turn these particles can carry more spores, no doubt about that, but the foil won't prevent spores travelling up the foil and landing on the lid.
The example I posted was to illustrate that spores can enter a tightly closed plastic container (PP5 btw) even if it's wrapped thoroughly and enterily in foil.
If you don't wanna dick around with foil and tape, simply use polyfill for your lids, kicks ass, it's cheap and easy.
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