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Tookitooki
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tombosley8]
#24911527 - 01/13/18 06:10 PM (6 years, 17 days ago) |
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I believe our surrounding environment has a major role in our success/failure rate. The cleaner the surrounding environment, the greater the chance of success. I used a spare bedroom years ago as a Mycology room. We kept it like a clean room. Super sealed it up ( caulked all seams, where the trim meet the floor, window trim, everything.). We would periodically clean scrub the room. Lysol and only clean clothes after a shower would we go in to work.
Knowing what I know now about sterile technique, I got away with murder back then. I tried that now in a different house, non clean room, and I spent a solid year in tam-university. If measured and compared, I would bet my life savings that the house I live in now, has a much higher spore load then the previous house. I have been successful in identifying and eliminating some of the causes of the higher sporeload. It took two years of cultivating to find the patterns of when my contams would show up.
I believe this is the reason some methods of GE filters work for some and not others. And why others struggle more.
With oats, I have found the quality matters. I ran a pile of oats with very little success. Changed brands of oats and now I have a lot of success with them.
There are more factors that plague us then we realize, and when we try to compare to another, we have different surrounding, different sporeloads, different environmental factors. Even in monotubs, our environmental factors, like humidity, play a major role of what goes on inside. Gauging the humidity of my house and how it effected my tubs was a big learning curve.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: JHOVA]
#24911548 - 01/13/18 06:15 PM (6 years, 17 days ago) |
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JHOVA said: I just purchased some strip LED light (6500 k) and a 10,000 mAh battery to power it for my tubs. Anybody know if something like that can last 8-12 hours? the stripping is adjustable so i could cut off some if its sucking up too much juice. no outlet in my closet 
posted this earlier. anybody know if these lights will be fine?
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Mateja


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: JHOVA]
#24912216 - 01/13/18 10:57 PM (6 years, 17 days ago) |
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Can anyone help me find a pic? I saw it today I think it was posted some hours ago, showing a BRF cake inside the jar with the top off and clearly inoculated with an agar wedge, looked so damn clean that it inspired me totally to start to inoculate BRF cakes the same way from now on. But there was A TON of posts today I did my best to catch up on as much as I could and simply forgot to save the link.
Anyone? A BRF cake inside a jar inoculated with an agar wedge. I want to ask the grower a question and maybe leave a rating but searching through all pages Iยดve read today is not an option unfortunately.
Could have been yesterday as well idk Iยดm on european time and my blood type is thc
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Invader Zim
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mateja]
#24912694 - 01/14/18 04:43 AM (6 years, 16 days ago) |
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TheMadHatter420 said: I guess I should have said jar filters. Makes me wonder about micropore tape on grain jar lids. How big do those pores measure? They are not true "micro" pore, they are just to small to see with our eyes.
My point is maybe many of us misunderstand our enemy. Maybe you do, but how many of us have not fully grasped what it is we are fighting against. Maybe some of us follow practices, or use things that does not truly keep these badies away.
I've had great luck with micropore tape for GE, 3 layers. Just finished a 25 kg bag of co-op store oats without a single contamination. These oats must be really clean because I've even Pc'ed @ 10 P.S.I. for 100 minutes with no issues, using a shitty little Mirrow pc.
Btw thanks for the advice you gave me a while ago Madhatter, my jars are so much easier to shake and break up now that I soak under 1 hour and dry the oats longer before loading jars. (Edited to name the correct person who gave me good advice, oops)
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LizardWizard
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Invader Zim]
#24912701 - 01/14/18 04:55 AM (6 years, 16 days ago) |
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I suspect it's more an issue of moisture content than of (endo)spore load in oats. Conditions in our various substrates just need to be well-tailored to the specific needs of the organism we're growing.
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mushboy
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tombosley8] 1
#24912774 - 01/14/18 06:40 AM (6 years, 16 days ago) |
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It should be interesting to move come feb 2019(lease up, might buy next)
Anyway, ive only grown in two houses. My current home built in the 20s and my parents house. Medium sized rancher in the sticks. Brand new build. Of course i was a noob but my tam rate was horrible compared to what i now experience in my current, moldy ass house. Obviously, my improved methodolgy is why my tam rate is lower but from a certain point of view? I could blame all the circumstances at my parents house.
I was not around to fan I did not incubate in the 80s I did not spray lysol everywhere I have shaky hands I had a water softener. I used microwaved coco only I had no holes in my FC. Monos had holes. I didnt wipe down my sterile fruiting areas.
Except for the water, those were what i was told my issues were. By people on shroomery in the mid 05's.
Where was the outrage by experienced growers back then? Besides a sab, i dont do a damn thing differently. In a hoise with a huge sporeload issue(bread molds in hours, juice gets multi colored skins) trays stay clean
Now, if i spawn even the iffyiest of spawn? Mold city. I bet that same spawn wouldnt mold at all at my parents house. Even though back in the day i was a classic bulk ms to grains guy. Trashed half my shit and my pathetic yields never increased.
I say sporeloads is an obstacle you can easily overcome. Not a roadblock. Thats what my limited experience has taught me.
People say 'my sporeloads to high thays why! '
Nah, your spawns to dirty for your sporeload. Clean up your spawn like i have too
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Crispykoot
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#24912802 - 01/14/18 07:03 AM (6 years, 16 days ago) |
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MIcropore tape will allow mold spores to go through...So will polyfill. Even with SFD's you need still air in the spawn room or contams will likely happen.
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mushboy
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Crispykoot]
#24912806 - 01/14/18 07:07 AM (6 years, 16 days ago) |
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Crispykoot you need still air in the spawn room or contams will likely happen.
I dont think thats true bro.
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Crispykoot
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Invader Zim]
#24912808 - 01/14/18 07:09 AM (6 years, 16 days ago) |
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Invader Zim said:
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TheMadHatter420 said: I guess I should have said jar filters. Makes me wonder about micropore tape on grain jar lids. How big do those pores measure? They are not true "micro" pore, they are just to small to see with our eyes.
My point is maybe many of us misunderstand our enemy. Maybe you do, but how many of us have not fully grasped what it is we are fighting against. Maybe some of us follow practices, or use things that does not truly keep these badies away.
I've had great luck with micropore tape for GE, 3 layers. Just finished a 25 kg bag of co-op store oats without a single contamination. These oats must be really clean because I've even Pc'ed @ 10 P.S.I. for 100 minutes with no issues, using a shitty little Mirrow pc.
Btw thanks for the advice you gave me a while ago Madhatter, my jars are so much easier to shake and break up now that I soak under 1 hour and dry the oats longer before loading jars. (Edited to name the correct person who gave me good advice, oops)
Just a thought on the Coop oats... I also use them and I get bacterial if I don't sterilize them for 3 hours ar 20psi. and have the prep down perfectly.
They will vary but they come fairly clean most times.
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Crispykoot
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#24912812 - 01/14/18 07:13 AM (6 years, 16 days ago) |
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Crispykoot you need still air in the spawn room or contams will likely happen.
I dont think thats true bro.
Its true for me. I'm very careful with air in my spawn room.
Try running a fan or AC unit in there sometime and see...Mold spores can get around and through SFD's (Through if damp at all after processing and transfer) .
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Mateja


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Crispykoot]
#24912821 - 01/14/18 07:17 AM (6 years, 16 days ago) |
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Wouldnt a piece of foil no top of ild during colonization eliminate this risk? If it really was that big of a risk
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Josex
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Crispykoot]
#24912823 - 01/14/18 07:19 AM (6 years, 16 days ago) |
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Yo, you guys have the luck of having a great variety of grain at your disposal, if you know the grains you're using are dirty why the hell you keep stubbornly using them again and again? I feel you on the 3 hours at 20 psi, I've been having to do that a lot in my case, but the only grains I can get are oats (extremely dirty), wheat (dirtish) and millet (clean but hate to prep them), so I go with wheat. If I had access to rye or WBS I wouldn't think twice.
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Crispykoot
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mateja]
#24912835 - 01/14/18 07:25 AM (6 years, 16 days ago) |
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Mateah said: Wouldnt a piece of foil no top of ild during colonization eliminate this risk? If it really was that big of a risk
Its a very big risk and you wont know that unless you experience it or someone shares the info.
I don't think putting foil on top is great but being careful to have dry filters, still air and a clean environment will help.
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mushboy
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Crispykoot]
#24912838 - 01/14/18 07:28 AM (6 years, 16 days ago) |
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...i have a fan in my room.
So crispy, in your situation, if you turn on a fan or ac in your 'spawn room'.. Your grain jars mold?
Thats insanity.
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Mateja


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Josex]
#24912840 - 01/14/18 07:29 AM (6 years, 16 days ago) |
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You dont have birds in spain? Jk WBS is I guess winter feed for lokal birds that dont emigrate and there are no hard winters in spain but still... you should be able to find wild bird feed somewhere
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mateja]
#24912843 - 01/14/18 07:32 AM (6 years, 16 days ago) |
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Yeah, there's WBS but it comes with some strange colored pellets idk what the fuck is, certainly not cereal grain, it's processed stuff with added food color.
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Crispykoot
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Crispykoot]
#24912847 - 01/14/18 07:35 AM (6 years, 16 days ago) |
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Josex, I take precautions with oats and so far so good this way. Part of the issue was the prep but i stick with the sterilization time because its working.
I've tried rye, wheat, and now oats. Oats are the easiest hands down and my yields are way up. The rye was shitty( organic but bacterial) and very hard to prep. The wheat was so dirty and sprayed with glyphosate and whatever else. Gross.
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Crispykoot
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#24912850 - 01/14/18 07:37 AM (6 years, 16 days ago) |
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mushboy said: ...i have a fan in my room.
So crispy, in your situation, if you turn on a fan or ac in your 'spawn room'.. Your grain jars mold?
Thats insanity.
Yup. I'm very careful. I lost a lot of jars to every contam you could imagine this summer and it became very clear that the air was the vector and the AC was the issue. It happens. Ask around.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Crispykoot]
#24912856 - 01/14/18 07:40 AM (6 years, 16 days ago) |
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Mush...I even take the time to dry my filters for a couple of hours in front of my hepa after g2g or a2g. I leave the jars there and I do the same with bags so filters are all as dry as possible before putting into the spawn room.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Crispykoot]
#24912858 - 01/14/18 07:42 AM (6 years, 16 days ago) |
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Are you sure drying your filters isnt fucking them up?
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