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TheMadHatter420
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#24910218 - 01/13/18 09:46 AM (6 years, 17 days ago) |
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YES AND NO. It is very complicated. If you shake a jar and create a bare spot as I call it, then spawn in a trich heavy area, such as one that had tubs left to mold, then it increases chances. If this is done in an area where mold is kept to a minimum it is not such a big issue.
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@ Mush, NOT all mycelium. It only takes one grain, that has had some mycelium scraped away, coming in contact with mold spores or fragmented mycelium.
maybe if your colony is weak and shitty?(bad spawn)
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What I am trying to get across is there is constantly this mentality to blame spawn as soon as someone fails.
thats not a mentality thats a fact though. - thats my point. the equation is simple. people over complicate it instead of making the problem smaller.
Sorry but NO. You can have a good clean jar grow trich before 1st flush. It happens. Hell bod had a mold outbreak recently. There is ways for mold to get into a good clean grow.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: MudaFuka]
#24910222 - 01/13/18 09:46 AM (6 years, 17 days ago) |
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So if your using clean spawn and the sub is over hydrated it could potentially be a vector for contams. Since over hydrating a sub can cause a "slower" recovery.
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mushboy
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TheMadHatter420 said:
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mushboy said:
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TheMadHatter420 said:
YES AND NO. It is very complicated. If you shake a jar and create a bare spot as I call it, then spawn in a trich heavy area, such as one that had tubs left to mold, then it increases chances. If this is done in an area where mold is kept to a minimum it is not such a big issue.
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@ Mush, NOT all mycelium. It only takes one grain, that has had some mycelium scraped away, coming in contact with mold spores or fragmented mycelium.
maybe if your colony is weak and shitty?(bad spawn)
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What I am trying to get across is there is constantly this mentality to blame spawn as soon as someone fails.
thats not a mentality thats a fact though. - thats my point. the equation is simple. people over complicate it instead of making the problem smaller.
Sorry but NO. You can have a good clean jar grow trich before 1st flush. It happens. Hell bod had a mold outbreak recently. There is ways for mold to get into a good clean grow.
i never said that. i said clean spawn is a deterrent.
i said clean healthy spawn recovers, and negates what that bare grain business is all about.
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Ferather
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#24910230 - 01/13/18 09:49 AM (6 years, 17 days ago) |
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mushboy said: the colony(myc) will recover quick enough before anything can germinate on that 'bare grain' if its HEALTHY. my point wasnt to say coir is bullet proof either. just to use the best protection possible and you are safe. (clean spawn)
everything else is a dramatic overstatement in my opinion. to guise crappy cultivation skills like i said before.
That's the correct explanation, we are good now.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Ferather]
#24910232 - 01/13/18 09:49 AM (6 years, 17 days ago) |
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hope no ones upset. im having a blast.
i just think some people subscribe to weird theories and it fucks with their own desires to understand whats happening. i have
like colonizing in the dark. if you believe that to be true? its going to fuck with everything you do. it literally contaminates everything(mentally).
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Germs
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: van hatton]
#24910244 - 01/13/18 09:52 AM (6 years, 17 days ago) |
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van hatton said: So if your using clean spawn and the sub is over hydrated it could potentially be a vector for contams. Since over hydrating a sub can cause a "slower" recovery.
I can't keep up on the phone. 
Yeah I was typing a reply and when i hit continue it said there have been 10 thread replies I was like wtf mane slow down
Mushboys word is law, he is the number 1 mushroom cultivator, he has cultivated more mushrooms than all of us combined, and then some
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TheMadHatter420
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#24910248 - 01/13/18 09:53 AM (6 years, 17 days ago) |
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So once it has a point of entry it can go on the offensive.
clean spawn
the colony(myc) will recover quick enough before anything can germinate on that 'bare grain' if its HEALTHY. my point wasnt to say coir is bullet proof either. just to use the best protection possible and you are safe. (clean spawn)
everything else is a dramatic overstatement in my opinion. to guise crappy cultivation skills like i said before.
What about fragmented trich mycelium? That is a living culture that does NOT need to germinate and feeds on mushrooms mycelium so it don't give no fucks how clean your spawn is, it is diner for it. Your clean spawn wont do shit against live trich, and that shit can float fragments on the air.
How can it negate against trich mycelium fragments?
Once again I am NOT saying clean spawn is not what we all should be after. WE ALL SHOULD BE AFTER IT. It does do a good job recovering, if clean, and beating out MOST contaminations, but trich mycelium fragments are in a different league for sure.
This is a good conversation to have. Some things are for sure played up to much as well as some played down to much. SPAWN SHOULD ALWAYS BE THE 1ST PLACE WE START THE SEARCH FOR WHAT WENT WRONG. Trich is the one contam that haunts new and old growers, due to its ability to fragment and eat mushroom mycelium. Trich is the main focus of what I have been trying to talk about and maybe I should have made sure that was clear. many other molds aint shit against mushrooms mycelium, but fuck trich is a bitch.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#24910263 - 01/13/18 09:57 AM (6 years, 17 days ago) |
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mushboy said: hope no ones upset. im having a blast.
i just think some people subscribe to weird theories and it fucks with their own desires to understand whats happening. i have
like colonizing in the dark. if you believe that to be true? its going to fuck with everything you do. it literally contaminates everything(mentally).
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Germs]
#24910272 - 01/13/18 09:58 AM (6 years, 17 days ago) |
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trich fragments are already germinated and it eats myc, as you stated hatter so why bring that point up? now your just arguing with me to argue.
yes. that statement about trich you made i can agree with. HOWEVER!
trich is fucking eeeeverywhere right? so think of other problems that are everywhere but you overcome?
people cant breathe underwater? invent the scuba tank thing. but you can still drown babies need a safe place to grow? nature has the womb. but a baby can abort trich contams all your shit? make clean spawn. but it can still trich out.
lots of buts. so what? try your best and never make excuses for yourself other than 'i fucked up' not the random beetle inside the coco brick. dont argue the buts in life.
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Mushboys word is law, he is the number 1 mushroom cultivator, he has cultivated more mushrooms than all of us combined, and then some
dude im a fuckin tard and you know it
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Ferather
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#24910280 - 01/13/18 10:00 AM (6 years, 17 days ago) |
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mushboy said: hope no ones upset. im having a blast....
Nothing wrong with discussing cultivating, since that's what you are doing. I was simply pointing out a slight discrepancy in explanation.
Trich is a bitch, totally agree with that.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Ferather]
#24910284 - 01/13/18 10:01 AM (6 years, 17 days ago) |
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last time i got into it here it caused a shit storm and im not a psychic either so i was double checking
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TheMadHatter420
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: MudaFuka]
#24910285 - 01/13/18 10:01 AM (6 years, 17 days ago) |
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I guess I should have specified trich from the start. One should not let themselves believe it HAS to be the obscure reason for failure, nor should one eliminate it immediately. We all should have open minds to new ideas and concepts. We should at least put some thought to if it COULD be correct.
Mush I am enjoying our conversation. I get a bit excited some times, but I am not just wanting to argue with you for the hell of it. We have always gotten along, I have no reason to want to just argue with you. I may not always be the most organized with my thoughts when debating and I am sorry for that. Some times I do tend to repeat, my bad.
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i think you believe your point. which i respect. but you used an unclear reason to support something. (that you did clarify) thats why i said 'argue to argue'. i should of kept that to myself. nothing personal either mang

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy] 1
#24910310 - 01/13/18 10:07 AM (6 years, 17 days ago) |
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People call discussion argument. I think were all adults looking at rectangles of light. We log off and go about our shit. If anything more of this civil discourse should happen.
It's when people from the sidelines come in and try to deteriorate by calling someone mean etc... it that shit then it goes all wonky.
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TheMadHatter420
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#24910328 - 01/13/18 10:11 AM (6 years, 17 days ago) |
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mushboy said: trich fragments are already germinated and it eats myc, as you stated hatter so why bring that point up? now your just arguing with me to argue.
yes. that statement about trich you made i can agree with. HOWEVER!
trich is fucking eeeeverywhere right? so think of other problems that are everywhere but you overcome?
people cant breathe underwater? invent the scuba tank thing. but you can still drown babies need a safe place to grow? nature has the womb. but a baby can abort trich contams all your shit? make clean spawn. but it can still trich out.
lots of buts. so what? try your best and never make excuses for yourself other than 'i fucked up' not the random beetle inside the coco brick. dont argue the buts in life.
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Germs said:
Mushboys word is law, he is the number 1 mushroom cultivator, he has cultivated more mushrooms than all of us combined, and then some
dude im a fuckin tard and you know it
Points taken brother!
I just think all this is more complex than we give credit to. Striving for clean spawn IS our best bet when trying to grow shrooms and not mold. I just feel that if you stack the odds against clean spawn enough, you can still fail. Some noobs here seem to struggle and the number 1 response right off the bat is spawn. Well that probably is right 95% of the time, but there can be other variables. The big one that I think a lot of noobs fall prey to is the over hydrating of substrate. As a noob we tend to want to follow a recipe for our substrate, well that doesn't always work. It is possible that over hydrated sub counts for a big portion of noob fails. Discussion is a good way to open eyes to small factors that, when coupled with a couple other small factors, can cause big problems.
I probably just didn't get my thoughts out there right, I have issues with that some times, sorry.
I still feel I could have cleaner spawn, but have noticed a few things that seem to have amplified the spawn issues, if that makes sense. Such as spawning bacterial spawn, even if just slightly bacterial, to an over hydrated sub. The bacteria is going to do well in that sub while the mycelium struggles and gets weakened, then the fucking trich moves in.
I hope we can continue to keep this civil. No need for anyone to get banned on this discussion/argument.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: bodhisatta]
#24910329 - 01/13/18 10:11 AM (6 years, 17 days ago) |
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we are professionals here. we should be used to sideline banter. it rolls right off my back.
anyway... my spawn could be cleaner too. LC is keeping my ass in dentition.
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Ferather
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: bodhisatta]
#24910333 - 01/13/18 10:12 AM (6 years, 17 days ago) |
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bodhisatta said: People call discussion argument. I think were all adults looking at rectangles of light. We log off and go about our shit. If anything more of this civil discourse should happen.
It's when people from the sidelines come in and try to deteriorate by calling someone mean etc... it that shit then it goes all wonky.

Plus the drama trolls.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: bodhisatta] 1
#24910336 - 01/13/18 10:13 AM (6 years, 17 days ago) |
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Agreed. This is what makes the shroonery the best place to come for anything mush cult. This is how people learn. From differing viewpoints
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy] 1
#24910337 - 01/13/18 10:13 AM (6 years, 17 days ago) |
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Thanks guys for this wonderful discusion I learned a lot from reading this, I hope this discussion continues and I hope it stays as classy
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mateja] 1
#24910347 - 01/13/18 10:15 AM (6 years, 17 days ago) |
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I think this convo has been beaten to death
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