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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: stareatclouds]
    #24842306 - 12/12/17 04:08 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Nothing to be embarrassed about if it's beyond your control. I've been having issues with my BLI not getting enough myc to each jar. I'll need to shake it more or use less liquid next time.

TBC,

You'll get mixed opinions. Personally for me 3 weeks is way too long, but if you search around, you'll find people saying they've used them fine after that. As far as PCing again, I might be afraid the moisture content would get a bit fucked. But I don't have experience with it. Let us know how it works out if you use it!





They are jars I forgot to PC. I sealed them with metal canning lids meaning to was some other jars to get filtered lids to use the next day. Project never happened and they have been collecting dust since. And oddly enough they haven't grown any visible microbes. They should still be ok to PC right?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mycolorado]
    #24842330 - 12/12/17 04:23 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Has anyone had success growing oysters on that Eco Straw Wheat Pellet stuff or are fuel pellets better?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: No1UNo]
    #24842345 - 12/12/17 04:29 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Straw is 5x richer in macro-micro nutrients than wood, but-and contains less phenol's.

Try 50:50 no wheat bran.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: 00Burnout]
    #24842403 - 12/12/17 04:55 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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I've tried looking up threads about this. When a jar is showing metabolites, is it a goner? Should I see it in agar and inoculated jars? Should I never see it?



Yeah like tryptkaloids said it's not really good for spawn, but I've seen some impressive grows from bacterial spawn (metabolites are usually a response to bacteria). The reason people say don't spawn it is because of the higher risk of nasty contams so unless you're riding on that spawn alone I'd throw a layer of coir/verm on it and fruit it in vitro.

I've got a couple tubs from knowingly bacterial spawn that are damn near colonized but it's my last time growing cubes so I'm not worried about contaminating my grow area. It's gonna be a minute before I do anything besides truffles.



The grows you've seen with succesfully spawning bacterial jars is likely not showing metabs pre spawn. Too fruit for sure. As for you, it doesn't matter what fungus you are growing contams are contams... That being said, bacteria isn't an exponential problem like molds Are, spores are easier to contain when it comes to


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #24842421 - 12/12/17 05:04 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

I really need to pour some plates tonight because I have shit to do from tomorrow to the new year it seems lol making agar is quick and easy I just hate the hour wait for it to cool down enough to pour. Sometimes I just wear two gloves and soak my pouring hand in iso and do it real quick lol burn myself every time


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Ferather]
    #24842424 - 12/12/17 05:05 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Straw is 5x richer in macro-micro nutrients than wood, but-and contains less phenol's.

Try 50:50 no wheat bran.




Thanks I'll go pick up a bag later tonight

I've wondered about using grain soak water to rehydrate the pellets. Is that ok or is it just overkill? Maybe 50/50 with water?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: No1UNo]
    #24842444 - 12/12/17 05:12 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Cause for concern when it comes to random infection. I would never advise enriching with high starch-sugar products.
You can go as far as trace sugar, about 4.5% (dry), but that won't do much for adding essential nutrients.

That would be 4.8g of flour to 100g of pellets, steer clear of high starch enrichment methods.
Also the flour makes a sticky mess of a substrate, I doubt wood or straw is better.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Ferather]
    #24842471 - 12/12/17 05:27 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Do i have any chance to get something from this pan cayan tub with hpoo/verm :confused:



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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Neomorph]
    #24842478 - 12/12/17 05:29 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Probs not with that much cobweb-other, sorry dude you have an infection, and plants.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #24842483 - 12/12/17 05:30 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Honestly fuck a filter. Ship that bitch and inoculate with the "biopsy method" there will be plenty of o2 in there. When you use it pull the ship plug and pour




Great idea. You doing this with the metal lids, seal side down?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Neomorph]
    #24842501 - 12/12/17 05:40 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Do i have any chance to get something from this pan cayan tub with hpoo/verm :confused:





In the trash, outside your house. Or in a hole in the ground.

Sorry man try again


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #24842517 - 12/12/17 05:48 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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SPACEurFACE said:
I've tried looking up threads about this. When a jar is showing metabolites, is it a goner? Should I see it in agar and inoculated jars? Should I never see it?



Yeah like tryptkaloids said it's not really good for spawn, but I've seen some impressive grows from bacterial spawn (metabolites are usually a response to bacteria). The reason people say don't spawn it is because of the higher risk of nasty contams so unless you're riding on that spawn alone I'd throw a layer of coir/verm on it and fruit it in vitro.

I've got a couple tubs from knowingly bacterial spawn that are damn near colonized but it's my last time growing cubes so I'm not worried about contaminating my grow area. It's gonna be a minute before I do anything besides truffles.



The grows you've seen with succesfully spawning bacterial jars is likely not showing metabs pre spawn. Too fruit for sure. As for you, it doesn't matter what fungus you are growing contams are contams... That being said, bacteria isn't an exponential problem like molds Are, spores are easier to contain when it comes to




I know contams are contams, but I'll have enough time between these tubs and my edible projects to deep clean if these turn into trich bombs. My spawn jars had a few spots with metabolites, most smaller than a dime but nothing bigger. I saw someone on this thread spawn some real nasty jars and had an insanely dense canopy from open air fruiting (can't remember who, but they had a mycogone problem too). Since this is sadly my last cube grow idgaf how these tubs go as long as something like aspergillus or other toxic contams don't pop up. I'll fruit the fuck out of these tubs even if they green on me, I'm not one to pay for something I can do myself so other than truffles these could very well be my last cubes, sadly.

I'd never recommend spawning bacterial jars, or anything even suspicious. This is just my last allowed attempt at having this sacred organism at my disposal. They are a primary reason for me getting my life together and I view them as medicine. I just wish my girl saw them in the same light...or the world for that matter


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: 00Burnout]
    #24842527 - 12/12/17 05:55 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

I have this jar of APE from september. It’s fully colonized and slightly shrunken, is there anything I can do with it? It was a forgotten about jar of millet done with a tiny wedge. Looks and smells mushy, just old

Edit: burnout it may be time to rethink your relationship


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: 00Burnout] * 1
    #24842537 - 12/12/17 05:58 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

I have no clue how people pull that shit off... I spawned a shoebox that I thought looked and smelled fine that never pinned, even outside with mad fae it ended up molding
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #24842652 - 12/12/17 07:03 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

thanks for the infos :rockon:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Germs]
    #24842814 - 12/12/17 08:28 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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I have this jar of APE from september. It’s fully colonized and slightly shrunken, is there anything I can do with it? It was a forgotten about jar of millet done with a tiny wedge. Looks and smells mushy, just old

Edit: burnout it may be time to rethink your relationship




Spawn it to a shoebox and case with 50/50+


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: No1UNo]
    #24842841 - 12/12/17 08:43 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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I have this jar of APE from september. It’s fully colonized and slightly shrunken, is there anything I can do with it? It was a forgotten about jar of millet done with a tiny wedge. Looks and smells mushy, just old

Edit: burnout it may be time to rethink your relationship




Spawn it to a shoebox and case with 50/50+



I’d do that with a regular jar of APE... however I don’t think this thing is being broken up by shaking and I hate digging grains out. Looks like top fruiting is my only option


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: No1UNo]
    #24842847 - 12/12/17 08:47 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Does any one else get blobs across multiple varieties of cubes?  Ive gotten pretty good at making blobs.  My Fiji threw some blobs, then have a hell of a flush.  Now my wild Texas are throwing some blobs.



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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Tookitooki]
    #24842857 - 12/12/17 08:53 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Does any one else get blobs across multiple varieties of cubes?  Ive gotten pretty good at making blobs.  My Fiji threw some blobs, then have a hell of a flush.  Now my wild Texas are throwing some blobs.






My BRF cakes spawned to coir just started throwing out the same stuff at he same time as the pins started to grow, idk if you can see it well in this pic but it´s the beige stuff and its literally ALL over the sub beneath the pins, also the pinset is very good so I have no clue how this grow will end, if the pins are gonna mature or all abort.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mateja]
    #24842867 - 12/12/17 09:00 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Few random questions for you master cultivators out there.

1. For those of you doing grains, how often do you use a master grain jar to spawn more jars?

2. For those of you who do agar work, how many transfers do you normally do until you start putting it to grain?

3. When you do put it to grain, do you prefer to do the whole plate to a pint jar to get a fast spawn, or do you spread it out a bit more.

I've just recently gotten into this hobby the past month, and I tried a lot of the methods at once. What I've come to realize is PF tek is inefficient compared to grains. Agar literally lets you see the mycelium becoming stronger each time you transfer. So what are some of your guidelines for agar/grain work?

It seems like the best method would be to create a strong agar plate, transfer to grain, and start cloning the best fruits to more agar, and rinse repeat?

Also, is there any specific things you can do to alter genetics similar to PE?

Thanks in advance!


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