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c10h12n2o
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: morty422]
#23752044 - 10/19/16 01:43 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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a lot of it has to do with how efficiently it can absorb water, and maintaining the right surface humidity and FAE/evap rates. and obviously genetics
id be more than happy to send you a print from an AA+ line that has fruited around 2 kg first flushes consistently, in every MS, clone, or very limited MS culture i have grown out from it. been really impressed with the family, very prone to monstrous fruits, some flushes average over 100g fruits
i just harvested a flush that was 3,498 grams wet off a 66qt tub, where i tested bodhi's lid off babying the hell out of technique, and had a fan running on a timer. that thing sucked up so much water once it started fruiting it was insane, i eventually had to turn off the fan because i couldnt replace it fast enough
that same flush had a 296 gram fruit!! cloned it of course, even though this was a clone tub, there were lots of strains present still. looks like something from No Man's Sky lol
its crazy how light the sub felt after the harvest, it feels like the tub is completely empty, even compared to tubs with the same amount of sub+spawn on their 3rd and 4th flushes
you definitely have the right idea about isolates, they take way too damn long to be a main strategy, but its fun to play with while working with clones
i think high quality food helps too, straw and hpoo always boost my yields, i would never omit them except for an experiment/control
  
those pics are all from the same tub, same flush. i shit a golden monkey when i confirmed that total weight on another scale!!
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morty422
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: c10h12n2o]
#23752159 - 10/19/16 02:21 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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LOL-
I have the exact same oven and green bowl as you... Haha...
Those are quite large fruits!
I totally agree with your comments about water absorption and surface humidity-however, I think genetics also play a huge role in it as well.
You definitely have all of your conditions correct for growth...looks like Bodhi's no-hole tub did well for you!
I imagine you are seeing around an 8% dry yield over wet? Looks like you are definitely in that 10 oz dry range!
How many quarts of spawn are using in a 66qt tub?
Also, what's your grain of choice?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: morty422]
#23752257 - 10/19/16 02:58 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I appreciate the offer c10 that's a mighty fine yield too I must say but Im just going to see what this print has to offer.
I was being over dramatic earlier about saying I'm never going to case again but verm is definitely off the table. I had a feeling that it may be soaking up all the pinning water. Last tub there were tiny beads of water all over the surface when I fruited and it looked so majestic. This one I'm just looking at all that stupid ugly verm sucking up my poor baby's water.
 Debating on weather I should try misting or just wait it out. I figure It's gotta fruit sometime or another, so right now I'm not fucking with it. My last tub pinned in just under 15 days no casing
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: ComebackKid]
#23752276 - 10/19/16 03:05 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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2 reishi triched on me and one is fully colonized should i open it up? Im just putting a sgfc lid on top
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Boogieman47]
#23752293 - 10/19/16 03:11 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have the exact same oven and green bowl as you... Haha...

Green bowl you say....
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morty422
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Smoothcat]
#23752337 - 10/19/16 03:28 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Smoothcat said:
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I have the exact same oven and green bowl as you... Haha...

Green bowl you say....
Hey hey!
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: morty422]
#23752369 - 10/19/16 03:45 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's a double meaning!! 
There's a few folk on cult with that green bowl, it's essential, I must get one!!
Don't know if it's something you can get in the uk tho
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: wtfcrazymofo]
#23752667 - 10/19/16 05:30 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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wtfcrazymofo said: I want to know if it is better to soak your spawn (in the jar after breaking up) prior to spawning a tub or not.
I don't believe it has much merit. The grains should have been fully hydrated for inoculation, and really shouldn't be drying out in the ~2 weeks or so to get to 100%. Additionally, when you dunk the grains, you lose a bunch of myc in the water, and if you want to use that water then you have to consider the moisture content of the bulk as well to ensure your moisture ratio isn't too high.
All in all, its just more effort that I've never seen correlate into results. I get full canopies and fat flushes with undunked grains, so I don't have any reason to put in any additional effort just to obtain a very minimal return. This is just my experience and is no way fact. Perhaps somebody that has worked in a higher volume than myself may have different experience, and I'm open to hear that.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Munchauzen]
#23752978 - 10/19/16 07:34 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Munchauzen said:
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wtfcrazymofo said: I want to know if it is better to soak your spawn (in the jar after breaking up) prior to spawning a tub or not.
I don't believe it has much merit. The grains should have been fully hydrated for inoculation, and really shouldn't be drying out in the ~2 weeks or so to get to 100%. Additionally, when you dunk the grains, you lose a bunch of myc in the water, and if you want to use that water then you have to consider the moisture content of the bulk as well to ensure your moisture ratio isn't too high.
All in all, its just more effort that I've never seen correlate into results. I get full canopies and fat flushes with undunked grains, so I don't have any reason to put in any additional effort just to obtain a very minimal return. This is just my experience and is no way fact. Perhaps somebody that has worked in a higher volume than myself may have different experience, and I'm open to hear that.
That's been my default stance on that but lots of people who've done it and say it works well are pretty reputable. I definitely don't condone pouring clean mycelium down the sink in any circumstance.. Unless you're trying to inoculate your sink.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inocuole] 1
#23753007 - 10/19/16 07:42 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Does it have merit because it doesn't not work? Frank correlated a few results with that one variable. He may have changed his tone by now has he stayed around. Maybe not. You have to make those determinations yourself
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c10h12n2o
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: morty422]
#23753314 - 10/19/16 09:22 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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morty422 said: LOL-
I have the exact same oven and green bowl as you... Haha...
Those are quite large fruits!
I totally agree with your comments about water absorption and surface humidity-however, I think genetics also play a huge role in it as well.
You definitely have all of your conditions correct for growth...looks like Bodhi's no-hole tub did well for you!
I imagine you are seeing around an 8% dry yield over wet? Looks like you are definitely in that 10 oz dry range!
How many quarts of spawn are using in a 66qt tub?
Also, what's your grain of choice?

oh for sure, genetics determine potential. i did a B+ tub at the same time that had a nice canopy but tiny fruits, on the exact same sub, same conditions
i actually used a regular monotub with holes (been using polyfill and micropore a la pasty), mainly just adopted the "lid off while i am at home" aspect, and kept constant surface evaporation and supplied all the water i could
lol i guess the wavy pasty bowl isnt the only bowl for champions 
i used a lot of spawn for that one, about 1:1.5, using a very large spawn bag from FP. I used wheat berries for that one, but have recently been experimenting with oats
im not even sure on the dry weight, i didnt keep it separate from other stuff drying. they were remarkably dense and heavy though, massive fruits. i will try to track down that monster to see what it came out to dry
the sub was hpoo, coir, straw, verm, and gypsum
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bodhisatta said: Does it have merit because it doesn't not work? Frank correlated a few results with that one variable. He may have changed his tone by now has he stayed around. Maybe not. You have to make those determinations yourself
this. it really comes down to your technique, some will benefit greatly from replacing lost water, others might have enough in their sub to compensate. only way to know how it fits in your workflow is to try it out and compare, with the same culture
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: c10h12n2o]
#23753660 - 10/19/16 11:55 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I haven't done enough to say anything for certain, but I haven't really noticed much of a difference between dunking and not I generally don't dunk. Sub is always either at capacity or just under it.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Smoothcat]
#23754032 - 10/20/16 05:40 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Smoothcat said: It's a double meaning!! 
There's a few folk on cult with that green bowl, it's essential, I must get one!!
Don't know if it's something you can get in the uk tho 
Green bowl make bigger shrooms 
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mrmazdarx9]
#23754322 - 10/20/16 09:27 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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mrmazdarx9 said:
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Smoothcat said: It's a double meaning!! 
There's a few folk on cult with that green bowl, it's essential, I must get one!!
Don't know if it's something you can get in the uk tho 
Green bowl make bigger shrooms  
He speak da true true...
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: morty422]
#23754332 - 10/20/16 09:32 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Your on cloud atlas
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mrmazdarx9]
#23754468 - 10/20/16 10:39 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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BEEn being lazy. Got some plates ready to do something with. What's the best noob way to use spore print to inoculate agar? I'm trying to think of the simplest hand movements and stuff as to not contaminate. Should I open three plates upside down, set them gentle on say a metal rack in SAB, open my print, upside down. Open a sterile swab stick, rub stick upwards, then swipe plates.
Or can I get away with simply opening the print, laying it on rack, and swabbing with the swab going down into the print, but my hand never going over the print.
Also do I have to re rub the print between plates, or will one swipe of the print inoculate say 5 plates?
Thanks.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: morty422]
#23754518 - 10/20/16 10:59 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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morty422 said:
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Smoothcat said:
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I have the exact same oven and green bowl as you... Haha...

Green bowl you say....
Hey hey!

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Moabfighter]
#23754521 - 10/20/16 11:01 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sounds about right. I do an S shaped swish which usually gets good results.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Moabfighter]
#23754527 - 10/20/16 11:03 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I just open my print pop the lid of my plate slightly but leave it on loose
take my flame sterilized scalpel scrape up a nice heap of spores on the very tip
then swiftly open the lid, poke the agar with the spore tip, and snap lid shut
You can also choose to cool the tip off in the agar before scraping spores as heat generally kills spores if your scalpel is too hot and your heap isn't big enough (light print)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Edmunter]
#23754533 - 10/20/16 11:04 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Has anyone used and had any luck with slurrying lately. My Sab work is most improved now and fancy giving it a go.
I think I heard someone boast 21 days from jar inoc to fruit........
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