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Snazz
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#24812282 - 11/28/17 04:39 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Pretty sure most of my failed g2g was from the spawn itself.
Question: my new clone tub has stems that are skinny and some have stretch marks / slight splits. This from too much moisture? Pic on daily thread
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PreparationH
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Snazz]
#24812352 - 11/28/17 05:02 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Gotta make a control jar and not open it then g2g the others.
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van hatton
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: PreparationH]
#24812458 - 11/28/17 05:34 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Trying stuff that may not work
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Snazz]
#24812637 - 11/28/17 06:37 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Snazz said: Pretty sure most of my failed g2g was from the spawn itself.
Question: my new clone tub has stems that are skinny and some have stretch marks / slight splits. This from too much moisture? Pic on daily thread
Likely moisture and warm temps
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Snazz
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: cronicr]
#24812673 - 11/28/17 06:47 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thx Chron. Did some reading of old threads. Could be growth rate too. Cuz they really do look like stretch marks.
Super dense sub. Just under a USG of groats with a couple x that of cvg/hpoo. Pumped to see what this matures into.
Other possibility... I am testing the use of a potent HHG. Positioned on top of the lid.
Edited by Snazz (11/28/17 06:52 PM)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Snazz]
#24812691 - 11/28/17 06:54 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah a wet sub warm temps will sometimes give rapid growth and ya get dark stipes that split
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Variegated
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: cronicr]
#24812706 - 11/28/17 07:03 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Im right there with you mushboy..tossed 2 tubs of B+ for trich today.it seems i only get contams when its ms syringe to grain..so basically when im lazy af. When i do the work and go to agar them li no problems. Never mold or trich in the jar but once i spawn it blows up so it was in the jar at some point. For some reason im having good luxk with shoe boxes even with dirty spawn but if its even slightly off the monos will trich out..damn contams
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tryptkaloids
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Variegated]
#24813075 - 11/28/17 09:26 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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tryptkaloids said: that's pretty likely. It won't hurt to try. I wish that was my case, but I think it's either my grain prep or my culture, can't tell wich
Have you considered the possibility of being neither? You gotta be open to eveeything and observe. You've been around a while and I'd like to think that by now you know how to do a proper prep or how to spot a sketchy culture, besides I doubt you only have one culture, right? And pretty sure you've been trying hard to get your prep right.
What about switching grains? I can tell you from experience that sometimes grains are so fucking dirty with endos that they'll rot with bacteria no matter how you prep them. Also, bacteria coming from grains is damn easy to identify.
Another thing you can do is sterilize the shit out of dirty grains, like 3 hours at 20psi for quart jars. The grains will dry out some and that can slow down colonization a lot, but if you use liquid inoculant like LC colonization will be pretty fast and it'll balance out the moisture content. Even if you do a bad prep which I doubt, extended pc times at high psi will take care of it.
I do have some wheat jars that seem to be doing pretty well. I have spent a lot of time switching my grains and it's slowed progress because it's different every time. I should start making control jars. I'm pretty much done trying to use oats. I might as well plant them for food.. or just use them in small amounts as an additive for cakes/bottle grows but I think I found a grain/prep that works for me. only time will tell how clean these wheat jars really are. I could have amazing free access to wheat too, if we gave a fuck about broken grains at work. I guess it's more incentive to dial the thresher in better. anyway, I don't mean to ramble. I've thrown a bunch of shit out becuase I'm my own worst critic so I've been assuming everything blows and is contaminated.. I do have a random cube and some KSSS on grain and some AA+ on agar that started bacterial that I'm working on. but I start over too often to be proud of jack shit
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stareatclouds
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mateja]
#24813120 - 11/28/17 09:42 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mateah said: I don't think you understood what I was trying to say. Do you see rizo growth on highly nutritious grain? Do you see it often? Do you see my point now? I feel that your argument "lower nutes often causes it" is as valid as "high nutes often causes it" seen from my perspective.
Yes. Both of those statements are equally valid. They're not mutually exclusive. On agar, a very common catalyst is nutrient level. However, it can also be something else, such as genetics. My main point was that people shouldn't get hung up on rhizomorphic mycelium because it often doesn't mean shit about the culture. That's the point; that it can often be attributed to something as blah as agar recipe.
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seen from my perspective. I'm a student and scientist and so try to figure out why so many experienced and inexperienced growers say that low nutes "often" cause rizo when I observe that HIGH nutes "often" cause rizo.
Again, there isn't one single reason why this happens. I've noticed that all of my PE cultures are extremely tomentose and all of my APE cultures are insanely rhizomorphic. To the point you wouldn't think they're the same species. And both have the same agar recipe.
It's a living thing that changes based on a plethora of factors. Why wouldn't it? Expecting a certain growth pattern in only one specific scenario is asinine. Just like thinking it always has to take on those traits. There's shiitake strains that thrive in colder temperatures and some that don't. 
It's not something I worry about.
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So Why do I often see rizo on high nutes when I should be seeing the opposite? 
You shouldn't always see the opposite. This is the point you're missing. Again, you were the only person considering it an indisputable fact.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#24813144 - 11/28/17 09:49 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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mushboy said: im only farming mold when i go to expand my grains. maybe my spawn isnt as clean as i think? but i can drop wedges all day, no issues.
something about fully opening/removing the lids. that critical moment where the lid goes from cracked to fully opened. ...something is getting inside.
Post a video of your technique. I just recovered one of mine. Going to edit and post for critique soon.
When I first started G2G, I got green in like 95% of them. I didn't understand why because I thought my technique was decent. I think it was. The problem was I thought I could sniff the jars ahead of time before G2Ging, lol. You know, since I can open them before spawning? As a newb I didn't process that the receiving grain is vulnerable. Doubt that's it for you, though, lol.
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mushboy
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i got a few more areas to focus on before i make embarrassing videos.
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van hatton
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#24813157 - 11/28/17 09:54 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Dooo it again!!
What you didn't think I would see this?
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Fun part is figuring out what works best for you
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mushboy
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: van hatton]
#24813175 - 11/28/17 10:01 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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i can do the mechanics of the pouring just fine. i think its in the lid. something with the 2 piece shit.. really thinking about switching to plastics. but thats a lot of 
maybe ill wrap them under the tree and address them to my wife. from santa. ball lids!!
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bodhisatta 
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#24813192 - 11/28/17 10:08 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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mushboy said: i can do the mechanics of the pouring just fine. i think its in the lid. something with the 2 piece shit.. really thinking about switching to plastics. but thats a lot of 
maybe ill wrap them under the tree and address them to my wife. from santa. ball lids!!
G2g is pretty easy with polyfil lids and flipping the lid upside-down . You can grab the polyfil puff after pre-removing all the bands. Like a cabinet knob. Just have to be careful since the metal to glass interface there is with upside down lids is easy to bump a jar and fling the lid off before locking it on with the band.
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van hatton
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#24813199 - 11/28/17 10:11 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Plastic sucks 
Also one reason I started using polyfil again
-------------------- If I ever give out misinformation please inform me so I can have the correct information. Tmethyl said: Chuck Norris once roundhouse kicked a monotub that wasn't pinning fast enough. The force of the kick rearranged the genetics of the mushrooms, we now call them Penis Envy. Caps McGee said:
Fun part is figuring out what works best for you
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Snazz
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#24813201 - 11/28/17 10:12 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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If you tape twice across with something like masking/painter's it will make it a 1pc lid.
When I made polyfil lids, I didn't do that first and was a royal pain. As the cloth tape usually overlapped enough to do both jobs with my pf style lids
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mushboy
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: van hatton]
#24813203 - 11/28/17 10:12 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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i noticed the polyfill in your video bod. mmmm.. i really hate it.
wait. i got an idea. ill see how it goes.
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bodhisatta 
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: van hatton]
#24813204 - 11/28/17 10:14 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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van hatton said: Plastic sucks 
Also one reason I started using polyfil again
I like the plastic lids. They all have their place.
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bodhisatta 
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: bodhisatta]
#24813207 - 11/28/17 10:17 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Polyfil seems to be a PITA for some people. It's not exactly fun stuffing lids but it's not hard. They need to be ridiculously tight imo then they work well. I prefer not to inject thru them as the needle can push it in and needs to be cool before pushing in or it will make a melted poly mess.
Some people never can roll a joint or never learn after not getting it right the first few times. I'm guessing the same thing for polyfil.
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van hatton
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: bodhisatta]
#24813218 - 11/28/17 10:21 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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After what I saw I'll never use plastic again. Tbh I threw away like 30 plastic lids the other day.
I used to flame my needle wipe with iso and inject thru the polyfil
-------------------- If I ever give out misinformation please inform me so I can have the correct information. Tmethyl said: Chuck Norris once roundhouse kicked a monotub that wasn't pinning fast enough. The force of the kick rearranged the genetics of the mushrooms, we now call them Penis Envy. Caps McGee said:
Fun part is figuring out what works best for you
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