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00Burnout
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mateja] 1
#24809890 - 11/27/17 03:01 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: Rhizo happens. Switching to lower nutrition sometimes causes it, that's all.
That is probably the best explanation we will get for some time. There's too much shit that is unknown with mushrooms, hell as far as I know there still isn't a scientific explanation as to why psilocybe mushrooms produce psilocybin and psilocin.
I haven't done enough studying as an amateur mycologist to have even the slightest fucking clue as to why mushrooms do what they do. All I know is if you put spores on a nutritious media they will germinate, and given the proper conditions will produce fruits. Hopefully one day I will be educated enough in the subject to have answers or at the very least, theories, but I doubt I will ever be some all knowing mushroom guru.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mateja]
#24809891 - 11/27/17 03:01 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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When people mention the nute percent in relation to rhizo v tomentose, they're typically referring to growth on agar media. Either way, why not run a test of high nute content agar against low nute content agar and see what types of growth develop. When I need hard proof, that's what I do...experiment.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: 00Burnout]
#24809912 - 11/27/17 03:08 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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00Burnout said:
Can't wait to see some pics, what variety? Be careful about eating a bunch of shrooms when you start getting fruits. Your own will almost definitely be stronger than anything you've ever purchased, and it's too easy to trip too often when you have shrooms almost endlessly. I was where you are now when I grew my first shrooms about a year ago and I came close to losing my shit. The mind can be a fragile thing.
A few years ago I got a kit. It was bacterial, but it fruited. I didn't have a digital scale, and I was drinking a handle of vodka a day at the time. I ended up in the jail psych ward and--after they shoved me out the door with bus tokens--a hospital psych ward. Fun times.
I'm growing penis envy, so nothing like that should happen again. I only drink beer now, too.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: TaderHoagie]
#24809926 - 11/27/17 03:13 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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So basically the only reason people would want an isolate is if you like a certain look or the way a certain variety performs? If I am wrong please let me know and explain
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mycolorado]
#24809930 - 11/27/17 03:16 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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And maybe, possibly, the reason rhizo is more commonly seen on highly nutritious media like grain and subs is because the nutrients are not as readily available as they are in agar.
Think of it in the sense of mashed potatoes, which is more readily available instant potatoes or whole potatoes that must be peeled, rinsed, cut, boiled and finally smashed? What's going to encourage growth more, the constant search and work for readily available nutrients in a jar of grain, or the nutrient buffet that is an agar plate?
It still could be a matter of genetics and conditions...or it could all be a goverment conspiracy. It's just the man trying to bring us down by making us argue about rhizo vs tomentose growth lol
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: TaderHoagie]
#24809931 - 11/27/17 03:16 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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you think it was the mushrooms and not the vodka?
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00Burnout
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I can't wait to see the pics hoagie, pe is a real fun one to watch grow (I haven't grown any yet, just seen lots of grow logs). I'm fortunate to have been around family during my near psychotic break, it took awhile to get over the trauma from it but it lead to some very healthy life choices. Glad you learned from your experience, some people don't!
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Kyshroomer19xx said: So basically the only reason people would want an isolate is if you like a certain look or the way a certain variety performs? If I am wrong please let me know and explain
For the most part you're right. Unless you started with a clone there's no telling what the fruits will look like. People do isolation for consistency in growth rate, potency, and size and if from a clone it could be to isolate a specific phenotype the cultivator is after.
At least this is what I've gathered from my research.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: 00Burnout]
#24809964 - 11/27/17 03:34 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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icetech said: you think it was the mushrooms and not the vodka?
It's cause they came from a kit!
Actually, I was pretty out of control with the booze, and I was friends with other self-destructive losers who didn't care about me in the first place.Quote:
00Burnout said: I can't wait to see the pics hoagie, pe is a real fun one to watch grow (I haven't grown any yet, just seen lots of grow logs). I'm fortunate to have been around family during my near psychotic break, it took awhile to get over the trauma from it but it lead to some very healthy life choices. Glad you learned from your experience, some people don't!
I'm a much healthier person after that experience. It was beautiful and horrifying. I also got a good story out of it.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: 00Burnout]
#24809983 - 11/27/17 03:46 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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I cloned a huge PESA a few weeks ago so I hope the fruits are big like the one I cloned cause it was a fatty
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I too was around other self-destructive losers during that time in my life. They were the family I was living with and the only reason they liked the idea of me growing mushrooms was because they wanted to sell them and make a quick buck at the expense of my time and hard work.
My experience was not beautiful at all, it was terror in it's most pure form. Death, mutilation and alien abduction were realities for me, everything was colorless and sounds lacked energy. If you've ever read the langoliers my environment took a similar state. Everything was dark and lifeless. It was what prompted me to change my life as I had never had a bad trip till then, and I attribute it to the frequency of use (to keep their greedy paws off it) and my poor quality of life from being there.
I've had a couple rough trips since, but it was from tripping to often. Nothing like that though, I've stayed connected enough to rationalize with myself that I was on drugs. That experience completely took control and rational thinking did not exist.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: TaderHoagie]
#24810020 - 11/27/17 04:05 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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TaderHoagie said: The plate was clean and almost colonized. No films of grease, and growth is looking good on all 6 jars. Pics coming when lazyness goes away. My goal was this: 3 drops of spores on 3 plates, transfer the fastest one to 3 plates, find the fastest of those plates, make sure it's clean, drop to grain. I'll do fancy shit when I take a clone.
I'm starving for shrooms too much.
was it organized? your last post sounds like it's not... that could be an indicator of a hidden contam... read this and please, for the love of mushrooms. treat them like food and not drugs.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#24810063 - 11/27/17 04:17 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have access to canary grass or canary seed, whatever you guys call it in English, is this grain any good? I think most brands of WBS have them in the mix, right? I can also get millet.
What would you guys get? One? The other? Both so I can mix them?
It breaks my balls having to pc my dirty ass wheat for 3 hours...
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#24810088 - 11/27/17 04:32 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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tryptkaloids said: please, for the love of mushrooms. treat them like food and not drugs.
I definitely agree with this
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: 00Burnout]
#24810096 - 11/27/17 04:37 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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tryptkaloids said: please, for the love of mushrooms. treat them like food and not drugs.
I definitely agree with this
I like to treat them like mushrooms.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#24810110 - 11/27/17 04:41 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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00Burnout said: It was what prompted me to change my life as I had never had a bad trip till then, and I attribute it to the frequency of use (to keep their greedy paws off it) and my poor quality of life from being there.
I've had a couple rough trips since, but it was from tripping to often. Nothing like that though, I've stayed connected enough to rationalize with myself that I was on drugs. That experience completely took control and rational thinking did not exist.
Mine had waves of terror and wonder. I thought the universe was ending and it was all my fault. Then, I'd swing up into some white light shit. It was fucked.
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tryptkaloids said: was it organized? your last post sounds like it's not... that could be an indicator of a hidden contam... read this and please, for the love of mushrooms. treat them like food and not drugs.
The plate was fully colonized. If I waited a day or 2 longer it would've pinned.
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00Burnout
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: TaderHoagie]
#24810119 - 11/27/17 04:47 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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You don't want it to grow all the way out. Also, it takes a couple weeks of sitting around for a plate to pin because you're not introducing and fruiting conditions. I have a plate I put a transfer to on the 31st of october that's just starting to pin.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: 00Burnout]
#24810124 - 11/27/17 04:49 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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00Burnout said: You don't want it to grow all the way out.
Yep, That's why I kept it cold and put it to grains.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mycolorado]
#24810133 - 11/27/17 05:00 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mycolorado said: When people mention the nute percent in relation to rhizo v tomentose, they're typically referring to growth on agar media. Either way, why not run a test of high nute content agar against low nute content agar and see what types of growth develop. When I need hard proof, that's what I do...experiment.
That's what I do well when I need confirmation, I experiment. I'm not just pulling these facts from my fantasy. rizo on strong BRF agar, tomentose on a weak one. Rizo on undiluted GW tomentose on diluted.
So why is myc rizo often on highly nutritious grain? It surely can't be "stretching out" to locate more nutritious sources? my question extends beyond the agar related rizo/tomentose discussion. Because "stretching out" to find food is clearly not the case In a colonizing grain jar. If you have knowledge about why this is so then please share so I can design more advanced tests. Right now I'm experimenting to see how one clone behaves on as many different agar recipes and all in several different strengths to see if some interesting pattern shows up. What have your tests concluded so for?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mateja]
#24810143 - 11/27/17 05:07 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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 Needed to cook grains but all my jars were occupied/waiting to be spawned while the sub was cooling and I had no time to buy more, so in a pinch I spawned all my colonized jars into ziplocs and put them in the fridge lol. Waiting for the grains to cool down to room temp atm before mixing although it’s probably not necessary
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Germs] 1
#24810167 - 11/27/17 05:17 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Many other things to consider besides nutrtion like ease of access ..i believe it was agar who thought about if all things were equal nute wise that density played its part say like when it hits a hard clump of manure it decides to go rhizo so basically doing this switch as needed...we also see changes with co2 levels
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