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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Kyshroomer19xx]
    #24780846 - 11/13/17 05:13 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

I'm about to start doing grains myself. It's cool to see someone progressing at the same rate as me


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: 00Burnout]
    #24780859 - 11/13/17 05:16 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm about to start doing grains myself. It's cool to see someone progressing at the same rate as me




My first grain jars (WBS) reached full colonization today, look a bit suspect but I'm happy either way :smile:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mateja]
    #24780874 - 11/13/17 05:23 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Hell yeah bro. I'm just waiting to have the time to do some grain. I have a 50lb sack of oats begging to get used.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Ferather]
    #24781085 - 11/13/17 06:25 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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Image: https://media.istockphoto.com/photos/fresh-horse-manure-on-the-road-picture-id94178277?k=6&m=94178277&s=612x612&w=0&h=2fVTaobfiVTi49FCkU4ucZ96iFfwFAGZul6vrdZmsCw=

[Question 1]: What do you think is in horse poop (animal, feeding from straw-plants)?
[Question 2]: What other agricultural uses does horse poop have, and why?

[Question 3]: Why do they add bacteria to some mixed animal feeds?

[Question 4]: Why does cubensis also grow on "enriched" soils?
[Question 5]: What is the major carbon component in soils?

[Question 6]: Why do oyster's trap and eat nematodes?

[Question 7]: What types of nitrogen are in fertilizers?



ill take a stab i guess
1. partially decomposed straw and dung. probably more things idk
2. its a good soil additive for gardening
3. mircroflora are important for the health of all organisms
4. cubes will grow on many things, most of which are not ideal for cult
5. decaying plant matter. probably lots of worm castings too.
6. just a guess, and this goes for all nematode hunters, but it promotes a symbiotic relationship with grasses. by killing the nematodes, the grasses grow fuller and healthier, which in turn gives shade and shelter to mushroom pinning sites.
7. idk


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mateja]
    #24781097 - 11/13/17 06:31 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm about to start doing grains myself. It's cool to see someone progressing at the same rate as me




My first grain jars (WBS) reached full colonization today, look a bit suspect but I'm happy either way :smile:




What container will you be using?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: JHOVA]
    #24781109 - 11/13/17 06:36 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Well I was originally planning on fruiting them from the quart jars, and one jar has already been put into fruiting an a couple more jars will be top fruited as well. The rest will be spawned to 3 mini tubs.

I inoculated with 9 quart jars with 3 different clones to test them out.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: 00Burnout]
    #24781113 - 11/13/17 06:37 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Yea it is pretty cool I need to get to the store to get some better grains so I can do a nice bulk grow but we will see how this popcorn turns out


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Kyshroomer19xx]
    #24781130 - 11/13/17 06:44 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

I just thought of something.
Technically one could heat an entire house with compost. It can reach temperatures of 49-77C (120-170F) that's a lot of heat from a pile of compost. If you had a pile you could warm a cabin up in the woods so that it remains warm throughout the winter :smile:

Idk if this would work but theoretically it could.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Munchauzen]
    #24781541 - 11/13/17 11:35 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

They use mostly soluble nitrogen with a bit that needs to be degrated by microbes to become available to plants, maybe mushrooms can brake it down themselves idk the specific names though.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Munchauzen]
    #24781885 - 11/14/17 07:04 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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Ferather said:
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[Question 1]: What do you think is in horse poop (animal, feeding from straw-plants)?
[Question 2]: What other agricultural uses does horse poop have, and why?

[Question 3]: Why do they add bacteria to some mixed animal feeds?

[Question 4]: Why does cubensis also grow on "enriched" soils?
[Question 5]: What is the major carbon component in soils?

[Question 6]: Why do oyster's trap and eat nematodes?

[Question 7]: What types of nitrogen are in fertilizers?




ill take a stab i guess
1. partially decomposed straw and dung. probably more things idk
2. its a good soil additive for gardening
3. mircroflora are important for the health of all organisms
4. cubes will grow on many things, most of which are not ideal for cult
5. decaying plant matter. probably lots of worm castings too.
6. just a guess, and this goes for all nematode hunters, but it promotes a symbiotic relationship with grasses. by killing the nematodes, the grasses grow fuller and healthier, which in turn gives shade and shelter to mushroom pinning sites.
7. idk




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My answers:

1] Partially decomposed straw, complete with small units, cellulose and nutrients (enriched straw).
2] Horse poo is a fertilizer, it readily adds N-P-K, can "burn" roots if too fresh (strong).
3] To breakdown cellulose, and other plant fiber matter, that animals cannot.

4] Because the enrichement added N-P-K, to a low N-P-K substrate.
5] Cellulose, starch and sugar will be eaten already.

6] For proteins and a source of nitrogen. **

7] Ammonical and ureic nitrogen.

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** Wood is nitrogen weak @ 0.1% per 100g.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Ferather]
    #24781888 - 11/14/17 07:06 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

why do you ask? was this like a quiz or something?


Edited by Munchauzen (11/14/17 07:13 AM)


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Munchauzen]
    #24781897 - 11/14/17 07:13 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

:smile:

I wanted to point out, mycelium will "evolve" and react to nitrogen, sources, or obtaining it.

Mycelium like all other organisms have an internal carbon:nitrogen ratio, while carbon is common and easiest to find.
A usable nitrogen source must usually be added, to get the correct ratio, in this case more yield-potency.

It is important that substrates are measured correctly, mycelium are nitrogen capped in most cases.

http://www.homecompostingmadeeasy.com/carbonnitrogenratio.html


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Ferather]
    #24781911 - 11/14/17 07:34 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

My personal view on Cordyceps, is the reverse of what oysters do:

Instead of growing from a plant, and capturing nematodes for protein, it captures the bug first, and makes it attach to a plant.
This says to me, regardless of the fact it can eat the bug, it still has the natural "want" to grow from a plant.

Its a good example of genetic blueprints, the mycelium knows exactly what to do and when.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Ferather]
    #24782068 - 11/14/17 09:09 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Here is oyster on tea extract (no cellulose, starch or sugar) and gelatin (animal protein).
The extracts provide lignin-other, as carbon, the proteins also provide carbon.

While the protein provides carbon, it's main use is as nitrogen.

       

Some mycelium are "carnivorous", and clever.

Ultimate reason: To live, and grow!


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Ferather]
    #24782100 - 11/14/17 09:25 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Using Google, I just found this Shroomery image of dog poop on top of wood.
Wet dog food contains lots of meat and usually gelatin.

Guess why that is happening?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Ferather]
    #24782105 - 11/14/17 09:27 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

A molding dog turd. Not very unusual.
They dry out or get picked up. Its pretty not out of the ordinary for things left moist and outside to mold


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24782108 - 11/14/17 09:29 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Agreed, but I'm pointing out behavior to proteins and nitrogen + a carbon source, even in high O2.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Ferather]
    #24782112 - 11/14/17 09:30 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Theres thousands and thousands of species of molds. That behavior seems 0% odd to me


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: bodhisatta] * 1
    #24782117 - 11/14/17 09:32 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Again agreed, but not everyone knows what you know.

:smile:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Ferather]
    #24782215 - 11/14/17 10:26 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

i hope most of us know food sources left out and exposed can/will mold.


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