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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: 00Burnout]
    #24776316 - 11/11/17 04:59 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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I've been wondering, since aborts are stronger by weight can you drown fully formed shrooms  before you pick them causing them to abort and therefor having them gain strength?



The aborts being more potent is still debatable, and you can't cause mature fruits to abort if that's what you're asking, because they're mature. Even if you forced them to abort before the veil breaks, I doubt you would notice any difference in potency. Let them do their thing and harvest at maturity. If this was something substantial it would've been done by now. Besides, why would anyone want to sacrifice yield for what a slight increase in potency?




It was just a thought that's been bouncing around my head. Aren't Pans stronger and yield less? like I said it was just a thought I had and felt like asking about.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Yonatin]
    #24776329 - 11/11/17 05:05 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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I've been wondering, since aborts are stronger by weight can you drown fully formed shrooms  before you pick them causing them to abort and therefor having them gain strength?



The aborts being more potent is still debatable, and you can't cause mature fruits to abort if that's what you're asking, because they're mature. Even if you forced them to abort before the veil breaks, I doubt you would notice any difference in potency. Let them do their thing and harvest at maturity. If this was something substantial it would've been done by now. Besides, why would anyone want to sacrifice yield for what a slight increase in potency?




It was just a thought that's been bouncing around my head. Aren't Pans stronger and yield less? like I said it was just a thought I had and felt like asking about.





Too little is known in that department, not enough scientific work on how psilocybin/psilocin is produced within the organism.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Yonatin]
    #24776342 - 11/11/17 05:07 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Active materials contain C-H-O, which is also used to produce energy, cells and so on.
Yes the more potent they are the lower the total available for fruit mass.

Fruit mass should contain 90% water, so the end weight is lower.
Dry-to-dry may give false results, different composition.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Ferather]
    #24776366 - 11/11/17 05:18 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

I feel that my fruits are always at around 93% water. How many % are your fruits ferather?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mateja]
    #24776374 - 11/11/17 05:21 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

If its been raining a lot, my oysters are like sponges, maybe 95%, water plainly squeezes out.
Indoors, maybe around 80%, which is a fair difference, probably due to my setup.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Ferather]
    #24776448 - 11/11/17 05:54 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Can't get a good pic to save my life but anyone know what this spot is it looks quite suspect to me and has what looks like a slightly pinkish tint in the center when held up to light.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: gizmo1]
    #24777351 - 11/12/17 08:31 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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Can't get a good pic to save my life but anyone know what this spot is it looks quite suspect to me and has what looks like a slightly pinkish tint in the center when held up to light.




Can't see very well, but looks like a reaction to bacteria. That jar was inoculated with liquid, right? Sometimes, leaving excess liquid pooling at the bottom for some days can cuase bacterial problems if the grains weren't sufficiently sterilized. Or maybe you used agar to inoculate and I'm talking out of my ass :lol:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Josex]
    #24777383 - 11/12/17 08:46 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Producer’s pride oats are sucking ass for me. I’ve tried a few different preps and can’t get them just right. They’re dirty as fuck and mixed with tons of other shit too

Anyone have big brands they recommend for oats? I love millet but want to use a bigger grain sometimes as well. Might just get rye


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Germs]
    #24777397 - 11/12/17 08:51 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

If I could source rye I'd def use it, it is a cleaner grain than most AFAIK, and that alone is huge.

The only thing I can say about oats is... Fuck oats :shrug:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Josex]
    #24777418 - 11/12/17 08:58 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

I had a couple good grows with oats but millet has proven better for me by far. WBS gives mixed results depending on the brand, surprisingly the walmart finch blend has worked great, just have to remove most of the sunflower seeds but they float during the rinse so :thumbup: it’s just a bitch to clean up when they inevitably spill.

I’ll have to call around a few feed stores and see what rye they have in stock. I’m sure someone has some around here lol


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Germs]
    #24777426 - 11/12/17 09:02 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Got a microwave? I'm using organic rye, cleaner than what you mention because its human standard not animal standard.
IMO rye is better for live transfers, depending on your procedure, they are more tougher than other grains.

Rye so far, doesn't leak starch like other grains, it's more robust than say rice, strong starch.
Fresh growth (spores) on rye can be weak to start with, due to the starch toughness.

In terms of naked grains (no shells), rye should have lowest contam chances.
The WBS I use is budgie, similar price to shop rice, cheaper in bulk.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Ferather]
    #24777432 - 11/12/17 09:06 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Pennington finch always did well for me. I never even removed the sunflower seeds. Not sure which race horse oats I have now but I've used about 8 brands and they all work great. Do you hard boil yours? I dont hard boil, just a rolling boil for 25 mins. Never have issues. I never used rye due to cost. Couldn't really find a good source locally other than whole foods. Its like 1$ a lb.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: eatyualive]
    #24777435 - 11/12/17 09:08 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

I microwave pressure cook for 28 or [X], minutes starting with boiling water, assemble hot and hob pressure cook.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: eatyualive]
    #24777801 - 11/12/17 01:01 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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Do you hard boil yours? I dont hard boil, just a rolling boil for 25 mins. Never have issues.




Maybe i'm dum, but what is the difference between a hard boil and rolling boil? I've never heard of any distinction between the two.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: herrenvolk]
    #24777988 - 11/12/17 02:59 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

You're not dumb, brother.  The Terms are mixed up in that post above. 

A hard boil is boiling something until it's contents turn hard on the inside like an egg for example. 

A rolling boil is simply maintaining a vigorous boil where there is lots of bubbles and the boil is audible.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: hamloaf] * 1
    #24777994 - 11/12/17 03:01 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

A hard boil is where the water is almost jumping out of the pot. A rolling boil is more than a simmer.

A hard boil has nothing to do with hardness of food. You could even make a hard boiled egg with just a simmer, a rolling boil or a hard boil


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24778028 - 11/12/17 03:08 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: hamloaf]
    #24778035 - 11/12/17 03:11 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Yea we're not talking about eggs tho

A hard boil is what you do to wort in the making of beer
You don't want a simmer or roiling boil. You want a one thats too intense basically


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24778037 - 11/12/17 03:13 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Let's agree that 'rolling boil' was not the best name for this. Pretty far fetched to name it after the motion the steam makes as it evaporates. Very stale


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mateja]
    #24778040 - 11/12/17 03:15 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Rolling boil is a term everyone knows
Same with simmer

Hard boiled is a culinary term
Hard boil without the -ed is boiling harder than a rolling boil. A complete waste of heat energy and faster evaporation of the water. Some might call it a hard rolling boil.


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