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Ferather
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Ferather]
#24776108 - 11/11/17 02:55 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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WL-Tek max (2.4% nitrogen, 20:1 roughly):
Crawling, but not stalling, lesson learned, no more than 1.2% on a sugar-starch free media. 2.4% requires a fast release glucose source, which will be spent to decay the media.
[Optional 1]: Add starch @ 4% (4.2g per 100g dry), requires aseptic working. [Optional 2]: Add sugar @ 4% (4.2g per 100g dry), requires aseptic working.
[Best solution @ 2.4%]: Use clean grain-seed spawn, and measure.

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WL-Tek min (1.2% nitrogen, 40:1 roughly):
Equal in speed, vigor and yield, essentially balanced in most terms. Better suited to a starch-sugar free diet, or general work.
Growth can be improved in the same way as 2.4%.
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Cubensis var. Burma, my notes:
On a cellulose rich media, it visibly grows in a similar fashion and response as oysters, but missing the laccase. It tolerates similar pH ranges when live, above 7, not often seen in nature, most things are acidic.
The basic difference I see is the lack of laccase, or lack of detection of relevant materials. These same materials are usually acidic, and can be inhibitory (plant defense).
So, take away these materials (paper pellets), and enrich or go 50/50. That is dry-to-dry, 50% of the nitrogen will pass to the other.
Example: Grain 2.4%, Coir 0.2%: (2.4 + 0.2 / 2 = 1.3%).
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Some oyster data:
Carbon sources (sugars), Nitrogen sources, Source.
Notice that oysters like the same nitrogen sources.
Tip: Ammoniacal and ureic nitrogen.
Edited by Ferather (11/11/17 03:26 PM)
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Ferather
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Ferather]
#24776159 - 11/11/17 03:27 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Feeling educated yet? It's free.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Ferather]
#24776202 - 11/11/17 03:57 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hey guys, I need to know the name in English of this thingy:
  It's sort of a drill bit and the head is like a kinda rock, very rough to the touch. It's used to eat away hard materials like metal sheets to make big holes.
Anyone?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Josex] 1
#24776212 - 11/11/17 04:03 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Ferather]
#24776213 - 11/11/17 04:04 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
Ferather said: Grinding stones, for drills.
You da Man!
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Ferather]
#24776221 - 11/11/17 04:11 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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@Josex, no problem.

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Oyster spawn test, beneficial bacteria:
This is WL-Tek [1.2%], plus tea leaves and calcium carbonate (for lignicolous types), no added starch-sugar, added liquid seaweed. I got spawn regenerating after just 12 hours. You can see the combined effort is draining pigmentation.
 I still pasteurized it even with the added seaweed, it survives pasteurization just fine. Even detached mycelium regenerated and grew out, almost as fast.
Looks a bit like cubensis, its not, its well fed oyster.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Ferather]
#24776247 - 11/11/17 04:26 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Guys how do these WBS jars look to you? It's first time I do WBS bulk and also first time doing LI so I don't expect these jars to be 100% clean. Im just wondering why this clone shoots these ropey strands of mycelium all over the jar the last few days. Seems like it came out of nowhere. Also, the ropey stuff is way whiter that other parts that look almost grey. My initial thought was that it was mold and mycelium was trying to "jump" over it and that's why the ropey character. What do you think?
Inoculated Oct-22 with LI clone culture.
 
Photos don't do it juscite, it's really ropey nothing I have seen on shroomery before.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mateja]
#24776253 - 11/11/17 04:28 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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What mycelium is that? The grains are turning black, not good, the ropes look like escape growth. Even high amounts of inhibitory materials in wood can cause that type of growth.
Not good in my opinion.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mateja]
#24776254 - 11/11/17 04:28 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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id say something got in your LI
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#24776255 - 11/11/17 04:30 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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But you don't see mold in the jar? I'm worried about the grey looking parts, looks to pale to be mycelium but i'm hoping it is.
Edit: Another jar:
 
I smelled one of these jars and not even the faintest smell of anything 
Smelled like 71fahrenheit wednesday afternoon in the living room. Like smelling the air around me now.
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Edited by Mateja (11/11/17 04:33 PM)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mateja]
#24776261 - 11/11/17 04:31 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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If in doubt, as they say, throw it out.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Ferather]
#24776266 - 11/11/17 04:34 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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I was anyway planning on spawning these separately 1qt/tub or fruit them from the jar. But you could not detect anything other than mycelium in those pics right?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Ferather]
#24776272 - 11/11/17 04:36 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've been wondering, since aborts are stronger by weight can you drown fully formed shrooms before you pick them causing them to abort and therefor having them gain strength?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mateja]
#24776281 - 11/11/17 04:40 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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@Mateah
Unless you have a microscope, or are going to send me the jars, go by what the mycelium is telling you. Those rope are designed to take damage and allow the mycelium push to a better place.
The mycelium is much thicker for a reason to "escape" bad things.
I see two types of growth, one escaping, one normal.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Ferather]
#24776289 - 11/11/17 04:46 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ferather said: @Mateah
Unless you have a microscope, or are going to send me the jars, go by what the mycelium is telling you. Those rope are designed to take damage and allow the mycelium push to a better place.
The mycelium is much thicker for a reason to "escape" bad things.
I see two types of growth, one escaping, one normal.
That answered my question. Why would the mycelium suddenly start expending more energy to make these 'leaps' if it didn't fint it necessary. I will spawn these to coir in separate tubs and we'll see.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Yonatin]
#24776293 - 11/11/17 04:48 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yonatin said: I've been wondering, since aborts are stronger by weight can you drown fully formed shrooms before you pick them causing them to abort and therefor having them gain strength?
I don't think it's the act of 'dying' that makes aborts potent, but the fact that they are small and maybe the psilocybin/psilocin production kick starts unproportionally in the beginning of the fruit formation and that's why the smaller fruits are said to be more potent. But i'm just guessing.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mateja]
#24776294 - 11/11/17 04:49 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Technically yes, the idea is to find somewhere away from the situation, I've seen mycelium like that running across a chemical treated casing. So it will be spending resources in the form it has designed, to find areas which match suitable colonization, to be free.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Ferather]
#24776301 - 11/11/17 04:52 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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I will spawn three of them to 1:1 coir in mini tubs and 3 of them I will fruit from the jars to see their potential.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Yonatin]
#24776303 - 11/11/17 04:53 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yonatin said: I've been wondering, since aborts are stronger by weight can you drown fully formed shrooms before you pick them causing them to abort and therefor having them gain strength?
The aborts being more potent is still debatable, and you can't cause mature fruits to abort if that's what you're asking, because they're mature. Even if you forced them to abort before the veil breaks, I doubt you would notice any difference in potency. Let them do their thing and harvest at maturity. If this was something substantial it would've been done by now. Besides, why would anyone want to sacrifice yield for what a slight increase in potency?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mateja]
#24776305 - 11/11/17 04:54 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mateah said: I will spawn three of them to 1:1 coir in mini tubs and 3 of them I will fruit from the jars to see their potential.
You should get yield on that setup, not likely 100% of potential, it's up to you, you could infect your grow area or fruits.
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