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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Steevo]
    #24775415 - 11/11/17 08:51 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Yea I wonder too, it seems almost random which jars produce the stronger mushroomy smell, I love it, it almost smells like, a really clean meadow with a slight almost spicy flavor to it.


Instantly recognizable compared to dirty spawn. Maybe it just comes down to genetics.



And yea I was paranoid about my cats too but they must've found it too moist to lay in.

I honestly would be surprised if it greened out now because it just seems so healthy, but I could be wrong time will tell, pins just came in for 2nd flush and they looking fairly thick, looks like I'll at least get something. Is your sub field capacity?

I think that and PC coir is the reason is colonized so fast.

I'd say start fruiting before 100% it seems like the myc likes a bit of uncolonized patches at the top as that's when it stops colonizing when I fruit at spawn.



I'd say start fruiting ASAP also make sure your sub isn't too wet, Its easy to have way too much water in the sub and not realize.


Is my prose finally consumable in this format? Am I doing it right yet dad? :tongue:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Hopeless_Hound]
    #24775578 - 11/11/17 10:04 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

The argument on bacteria reducing yield must taken more logically than that approach.

That would be like saying digested straw is richer than the primary source.
The animal that ate it removed many nutrients, else it would be dead.

All organisms take what they need from a substrate (decay).
Some micro's can also inhibit third party growth.

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Hi, please can people tell me whether dried pine shavings are suitable for cyans? What are peoples thoughts on a moss casing, is there a particular type of moss that works well? How do you top up/relayer if you have a moss casing?


My answer:

"Agricultural and horticultural limestones are considered soft crystals, reacting quickly with acid, which are more desirable in adjusting the pH of substrates formulated with peat moss, pine bark or coconut coir." -- Source

Tried both, but not on cyans, to use pine pellets I had increase the pH to 7-8, this decays the inhibitory materials and other acids.
The same goes for moss, moss is good because it's quite low in nutrients, but also has a low pH (attracts molds).


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Hopeless_Hound]
    #24775615 - 11/11/17 10:20 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Well I don't believe my sub is too wet, if anything it was a little on the dry side.

All things considered, I think I'll start fruiting today. Now the real question is, will they leave the polyfil alone?

I really can't wait to see how your second flush turns out!

I was waiting for you to chime in Ferather! Got any data on the correlation between mycelium and bacteria on substrates?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Ferather]
    #24775627 - 11/11/17 10:29 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Given perfect environmental-other conditions, non pathogenic bacteria:


[Scenario A]: A bacteria that produces all known enzymes, it gets all the nutrients, no competitors.

[Scenario B]: Same as above, with a mycelium that produces little-no enzymes, the bacteria loses yield, the mycelium mops up what it needs and grows.

[Scenario C]: Same as scenario A, but now with a mycelium that produces all known enzymes, they compete for all the nutrients, but should visibly grow faster.

[Scenario D]: A mycelium that produces all known enzymes, it gets all the nutrients, no competitors.


Questions: You have a primary decomposer.

[1]: What is the best scenario for speed?
[2]: What is the best scenario for yield?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: 00Burnout]
    #24775634 - 11/11/17 10:31 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

If i had cats id use micropore tape


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: JHOVA]
    #24775667 - 11/11/17 10:48 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

One would think (C) would allow faster growth, competition for nutrients could lead to rapid expansion by either party, survival of the fittest. While (D) would not encourage rapid growth due to having no competing organisms, but the yield would be increased for the same reason.

Comparatively, say you're having dinner with a large group of people and notice there is not enough dessert for everyone and it's your favorite, what are you gonna do? Sit there and casually eat while watching everyone make their way to the dessert, or eat faster to ensure you get some too?

This is just how I see it, what do you think?


The cats leave my polyfil lids alone, so maybe I'll be fine. Only one way to find out. If I come home one day and it appears that someone murdered ted in my room then I'll use micropore tape. No sense in buying more tape when I have a giant bag of polyfil.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: 00Burnout]
    #24775673 - 11/11/17 10:50 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Or cut the portions down so that everyone has some, but less each. Sounds logical to me.

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The new one is cheap, I got the version that measures 500g @ 0.01 intervals.

When I get it, I'll put Burma on a sugar peg, WL-Tek 1.2% nitrogen.
The 2.4% is far too slow, without minimal starch-sugar.

2.4% is best used with starchy grain spawn.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Ferather]
    #24775696 - 11/11/17 11:03 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Where's the fun in that? Lol often times if that scenario happens to me and I know there's no way it can be portioned out for everyone without being a depressingly small amount I'll grab dessert in advance. I'm just an asshole like that.

I'm glad we can all have a civil conversation, all to often I've seen people be real cunts because they can't handle possibly being wrong. No amount of progress has ever been made in the way of man without challenging the things we think we understand.

I won't pretend I have all the answers, hell no one does. Even professional mycologists that have dedicated their whole life to understanding this vastly complex organism have barely scratched the surface. There is still way to much we don't yet understand as a scientific community to say much is of certainty in this field.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: 00Burnout]
    #24775701 - 11/11/17 11:07 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

00Burnout said:
Where's the fun in that? Lol often times if that scenario happens to me and I know there's no way it can be portioned out for everyone without being a depressingly small amount I'll grab dessert in advance. I'm just an asshole like that.

I'm glad we can all have a civil conversation, all to often I've seen people be real cunts because they can't handle possibly being wrong. No amount of progress has ever been made in the way of man without challenging the things we think we understand.

I won't pretend I have all the answers, hell no one does. Even professional mycologists that have dedicated their whole life to understanding this vastly complex organism have barely scratched the surface. There is still way to much we don't yet understand as a scientific community to say much is of certainty in this field.




:cheers:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Ferather]
    #24775704 - 11/11/17 11:09 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

:cheers:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: 00Burnout]
    #24775736 - 11/11/17 11:28 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

I’ve done like 5 trays of Redboy and still have yet to get a colored print. I got the weird helmet head PE like phenotype from one tray which I have cloned and swabbed, another one had fruits that bruised green vs blue, and the rest have been comparable to normal cubes but with hollow stems and uneven pinsets. Not sure if I had a selection of weak/weird genetics

All the cultures were several transfers in before being put to grains. I imagine I may have more luck with genetic variation if I’m to go back to the spore print and make only a few transfers? The print is very small or I’d maybe try to make a syringe and do some MS jars


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Germs]
    #24775745 - 11/11/17 11:32 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Does this look ready to fruit?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Kyshroomer19xx]
    #24775784 - 11/11/17 11:56 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

It was ready yesterday


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Germs]
    #24775891 - 11/11/17 12:51 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Ok cool I am going to fruit it in open air. You have any advice for a noob this is my first attempt at bulk?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Kyshroomer19xx]
    #24775905 - 11/11/17 12:56 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

are you home enough to monitor the surface conditions? open air requires some babysitting. but id say go for it.:thumbup:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
    #24775918 - 11/11/17 01:04 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Other than the 8 hours I work but I figured I could mist it good before I leave and put some Saran Wrap on it. Also should I case it?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Kyshroomer19xx]
    #24775964 - 11/11/17 01:29 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

8hrs and you will dry up. just use a flipped lid. keep saran in the kitchen.


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    #24775967 - 11/11/17 01:31 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

I recommend casing your 1st time. It will help maintain surface conditions.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: TheMadHatter420]
    #24776050 - 11/11/17 02:20 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Cool thanks mushboy

Should I case with just verm or use some coir too FYI the shoebox is straight BRF I used eatys lazy mofo bag tek I used 2 bags so it's 10 half pints total


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: TheMadHatter420]
    #24776063 - 11/11/17 02:25 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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I recommend casing your 1st time. It will help maintain surface conditions.




:whathesaid:

Plus it helps hold in hydration, and can be made to deter unwelcome growth.

Make some spare casing in a bowl with a film lid and holes (similar to your setup).
You can put your fingers or a device and measure water loss, roughly.

Hydrate the bowl whenever you hydrate the casing.


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