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Snazz
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: 00Burnout]
#24755064 - 11/02/17 05:22 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Fungi is very symbiotic with the plant kingdom. Nutrient exchanges for the most part.
The very expensive edibles can't be cultivated without such conditions (well fruited which is all that really matters). Black truffles, chanterelles etc.
Other microbes have their place, but to a much lesser degree. Mainly due to fungi's ability to break down then synth practically anything.
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TheBlackCat
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Snazz]
#24755093 - 11/02/17 05:32 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Plenty of people have probably tried it. There is a reason everyone isn't doing it that way. I don't have a pasture in my backyard. Also you just get more in one small contained area. I've tried a lot of really weird shit myself that didn't work.
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Snazz
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: TheBlackCat]
#24755099 - 11/02/17 05:37 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have never seen a trych outbreak outdoors. Although it's super beneficial for plants.
All my spent subs have really nourished the raised bed in my backyard lol.
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TheBlackCat
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: TheBlackCat]
#24755101 - 11/02/17 05:38 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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um... umm... "I like working in the lab so I do all this stuff but you should just order your spawn. It's too hard and you'll mess up a lot." This is a lecture on indoor mushroom cultivation and this is what you tell people to do. Also if he says um one more fucking time I'm going to flush his head. I could give a better lecture and I haven't been to college for any of this. Also he's saying just do the super easy shit. "grow some stropharia. Just throw mycelium on some wood chips and stuff it in a log. You don't have to be super clean."  
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natedawgnow
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: bodhisatta]
#24755144 - 11/02/17 05:55 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: Forensics and symbolic logic should be mandatory in school.
No reason to insult peoples intelligence dude. I was simply defending his statement that it retains more nutes because it does by operation alone. It seems that you are the one who is having trouble understanding a simple concept so you resort to attacks such as "going over their heads" or the one I quoted above. The box says it retains nutes because you don't boil them all out and dump them down the drain. You say "where is the proof that the it retains nutes?" Well simple logic should tell you that not dumping nute rich water down the drain means more nutes in your meal. No one said it was better or anything else. Just debating a statement.
You on the other hand can't have a simple debate without cursing, demeaning replies, and constant ninja editing to gerrymander the argument into your favor. Which is whatever to me but it does get old.
Instead of cursing and being defensive and what not how about you just observe what is actually being written? Ok, so fungi don't need all that nutrition anyway, big deal, that isn't what ferather said anyway. All he said was he is retaining MORE nutrition because of the microwave pc, nothing more, nothing less.
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bodhisatta 
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: natedawgnow]
#24755148 - 11/02/17 05:57 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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natedawgnow
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: bodhisatta]
#24755154 - 11/02/17 06:01 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Point still stands
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Germs
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: natedawgnow]
#24755166 - 11/02/17 06:04 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Debating whether to take some fresh ape or knock up the grains I cooked on Monday before it’s too late. Got a bunch of transfers to make. Priorities...
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natedawgnow
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Germs]
#24755192 - 11/02/17 06:13 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Grain bro! I'm about to start up a prep myself
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Germs
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: natedawgnow]
#24755229 - 11/02/17 06:30 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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I’m actually going to try something new and make a spore syringe and do some MS jars. The first time I tried MS nothing grew and I used 5-10 drops per jar with a vendor syringe
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TheBlackCat
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: natedawgnow]
#24755433 - 11/02/17 07:37 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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natedawgnow said: BC, when you boil grains to hydrate them, nutes are seeped into your boil water, which you proceed to dump down the drain.
The point that was being made is that those nutes aren't lost because this device doesn't boil grains like that. Uses less water so on and so forth. At least that is what I gathered from the original convo plus his link.
So you are saying this cooker cooks the water into the grain without any leftover water. Well this is interesting but I still can't use it. Enough of the starch is retained by boiling as long as you don't split your grains. You need your grains to be dry on the outside and moist on the inside. I actually supplement my water with gypsum and coffee when I boil so in the end it's more suitable for mycelial growth then before boiling.
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TheMadHatter420
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: TheBlackCat]
#24755446 - 11/02/17 07:40 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Has anyone ever messed around with using a rice cooker to hydrate grains? I am just curious if it would stand a chance of working.
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TheBlackCat
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natedawgnow
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: TheBlackCat]
#24755776 - 11/02/17 09:43 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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TheBlackCat said:
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natedawgnow said: BC, when you boil grains to hydrate them, nutes are seeped into your boil water, which you proceed to dump down the drain.
The point that was being made is that those nutes aren't lost because this device doesn't boil grains like that. Uses less water so on and so forth. At least that is what I gathered from the original convo plus his link.
So you are saying this cooker cooks the water into the grain without any leftover water. Well this is interesting but I still can't use it. Enough of the starch is retained by boiling as long as you don't split your grains. You need your grains to be dry on the outside and moist on the inside. I actually supplement my water with gypsum and coffee when I boil so in the end it's more suitable for mycelial growth then before boiling.
See statements like that stand up to the same scrutiny that bod laid on ferather's statement. How do you know coffee makes grain more suitable for mycelial growth? if it's by observation alone that's not enough.
The ratio method works pretty well actually for hydrating grains. I've done it with whole brown rice because rice makes a horribly sticky mess if over hydrated. My personal belief is that the nutrition lost in boiling is negligible, I'm just saying that the original statement was that he loses less nutes and it seems as though, by function of the cooker, that is the case.
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TheBlackCat
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: natedawgnow]
#24756016 - 11/02/17 11:45 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Fuck me are you serious? Because coffee is a fucking source of nitrogen.
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TheMadHatter420
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: TheBlackCat]
#24756247 - 11/03/17 05:18 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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But how much of that nitrogen comes out via leaching and how much of it is bound to the grounds and unable to be soaked into the grain? If you were adding the grounds to the final product that may make a bigger difference, but I am not so sure that simply adding it to the soak will increase nitrogen in the food source.
This gets to be a bit more tricky than keeping the nutrients in the grain. With the grain we are trying not to destroy or loose what is all ready there. In the case of the coffee you are trying to leach out the nitrogen and then get the grains to absorb/hold what nitrogen is leached from the coffee. There is more involved in getting that to work. It is some complicated shit whether we are talking about loss of nutrients from grain or absorption of nitrogen from the coffee.
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Someone needs to do a A/B test of coffee grounds..
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insanemike
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: icetech]
#24756285 - 11/03/17 06:12 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Honestly, I think people tend to over complicate things. I too used to do the same thing.
The success of this hobby, for us, really only comes down to 2 parameters and that is yield and potency. And since cultures are what are selected for high potency and yield, nutrition isn't all that important as long as you have a source of grain and plenty of available water and oxygen to promote healthy growth.
It has already been proven that we can get great results with just oats and coir. What is the point of wasting all of that time, effort and extra cost on something that "may" give us a negligible increase in yield? If you want more yield, grow more spawn.
Of course if you just want to experiment for your entertainment purposes only, then by all means, test away.
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Germs
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: insanemike] 1
#24756338 - 11/03/17 07:15 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Coffee and cubes plus a noob equals trich. We’ve all seen that play out, even recently
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Germs]
#24756381 - 11/03/17 07:50 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sporeplosion: is it worth trying to wipe down the black caps with a damp cloth or should I just leave it as is
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