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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #24720148 - 10/18/17 05:39 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

I have done 3 grows so far and have 2 more I am about to start all PF tek no PC and honestly it was pretty simple so idk why you would think that but to each their own out of 38 jars I lost 2


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Kyshroomer19xx]
    #24720160 - 10/18/17 05:45 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

You could do serious bulk without a pc. I didn't know this when I did not own a pc yet, but with the things I've learned so far I swear I can do culture work cleanly without using agar or a pc and I could also make clean lc's without using agar or a pc. The only real limit is the grower's imagination.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Josex]
    #24720180 - 10/18/17 05:55 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Yea but I wouldnt consider that reliable, especially when compared to doing it with a PC. If he has a PC why say you don’t need one to do it


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Explicitdetail] * 1
    #24720208 - 10/18/17 06:03 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

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Yea but I wouldnt consider that reliable, especially when compared to doing it with a PC. If he has a PC why say you don’t need one to do it



Yes you can grow in a reliable way, without a single hitch or contamination. You can clone without a pc, do culture work (wihtout using shitty brf paste btw), you can make clean lc's and you can do bulk as if there's was no tomorrow without a pc. You can do away with pf tek if you wish, grow coir-based bottles, straw-based bottles and all without a pc. And if you feel like spawning to bulk there are good ways to do it without having to use cakes as spawn. Nobody teaches you that, not even this forum, but that does not mean you can't do it.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Josex]
    #24720215 - 10/18/17 06:05 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Can I cook a syringe or three with water in my PC with my PF cakes, and add that water to pasty plates in a SAB, suck up the water, and inoculate with that? My spore syringes are quite old and I have some decent pinning plates laying around...


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Kyshroomer19xx]
    #24720226 - 10/18/17 06:10 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

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Thanks guys I appreciate all the love and yea all the stuff I have read and been told say no PC no agar lol and thanks varie you have any PE prints I have an APE swab and I am praying I can get some good growth off it




No PE but i think my buddy does i will ask him when i stop over there again. If he has a extra its yours.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Variegated]
    #24720237 - 10/18/17 06:15 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks man I would really appreciate it


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Moabfighter]
    #24720257 - 10/18/17 06:24 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

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Can I cook a syringe or three with water in my PC with my PF cakes, and add that water to pasty plates in a SAB, suck up the water, and inoculate with that? My spore syringes are quite old and I have some decent pinning plates laying around...




Thats called an LI. You may want to agitate the mycelium on the plate a bit, but yeah, you can do that.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Kyshroomer19xx]
    #24720290 - 10/18/17 06:35 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

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Yea I plan on doing pasty plates an how can I do agar without a PC?



yes you can steam plates. but you must steam them longer. I dont have an exact number to give you, but I would start with at least an hour long steam.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Moabfighter] * 1
    #24720300 - 10/18/17 06:38 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

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Can I cook a syringe or three with water in my PC with my PF cakes, and add that water to pasty plates in a SAB, suck up the water, and inoculate with that? My spore syringes are quite old and I have some decent pinning plates laying around...



When you a PC a syringe with the dispensing needle, all the water comes out. You must wrap the empty syringe in foil, and PC a seperate mason jar of water. Then, in a SAB, open the sterile syringe and aspirate the sterile water from the jar.

as a bonus, here is my private video tek for this process. I don't have it publicly listed because there are better techniques for making LI (check my Blenderless Liquid Inoculate link in my sig). Basically, the agar is full of mycelium too, and by scraping off only the surface myc, you are leaving behind many many inoculation points. I will note that this video does skip over the part about filling the syringe with sterile water... but I think you can manage that part.



also, if this video teaches you anything else, let it teach you to make much larger armholes than these. mine are like 10" across now.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Munchauzen]
    #24720310 - 10/18/17 06:41 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

When I steam-sterilized agar I did 2 hours but that's obviously overkill. An hour should do if you use a nutrient source with few bacterial populations.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Josex]
    #24720397 - 10/18/17 07:13 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

I made some LI the other day and had a marble in the kar. Think it hirt the myc beating it up on the shake..no growth after 4 days.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Variegated]
    #24720430 - 10/18/17 07:24 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

If you put one of those lure lock plugs in the end of the syringe, you can PC it with water in it. You only need to PC agar/water for like 30 minutes. I think if you go for two hours, you start to carmalize the sugars.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Munchauzen] * 1
    #24720456 - 10/18/17 07:32 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

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Can I cook a syringe or three with water in my PC with my PF cakes, and add that water to pasty plates in a SAB, suck up the water, and inoculate with that? My spore syringes are quite old and I have some decent pinning plates laying around...



When you a PC a syringe with the dispensing needle, all the water comes out. You must wrap the empty syringe in foil, and PC a seperate mason jar of water. Then, in a SAB, open the sterile syringe and aspirate the sterile water from the jar.

as a bonus, here is my private video tek for this process. I don't have it publicly listed because there are better techniques for making LI (check my Blenderless Liquid Inoculate link in my sig). Basically, the agar is full of mycelium too, and by scraping off only the surface myc, you are leaving behind many many inoculation points. I will note that this video does skip over the part about filling the syringe with sterile water... but I think you can manage that part.



also, if this video teaches you anything else, let it teach you to make much larger armholes than these. mine are like 10" across now.




I used your blenderless tek to make my first Li just a few months ago :rockon: Many thanks to you Munchauzen


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #24720496 - 10/18/17 07:53 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

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If you put one of those lure lock plugs in the end of the syringe, you can PC it with water in it. You only need to PC agar/water for like 30 minutes. I think if you go for two hours, you start to carmalize the sugars.



what exactly are you referring to? is this something that goes over the needle? or the ones that fit directly to the syringe?

also, we were discussing steaming agar, not PCing it. 2 hours in a PC would def fuck a plate.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Steevo]
    #24720497 - 10/18/17 07:53 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Damn I've forgotten so much.

I've made your LI before munch with good success. Make LI, suck up water... wtf am I talking about adding clean water to a plate then sucking up... hah


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Moabfighter]
    #24720501 - 10/18/17 07:58 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

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Damn I've forgotten so much.

I've made your LI before munch with good success. Make LI, suck up water... wtf am I talking about adding clean water to a plate then sucking up... hah



:rofl: thats hilarious


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Munchauzen]
    #24720504 - 10/18/17 08:00 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

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If you put one of those lure lock plugs in the end of the syringe, you can PC it with water in it. You only need to PC agar/water for like 30 minutes. I think if you go for two hours, you start to carmalize the sugars.



what exactly are you referring to? is this something that goes over the needle? or the ones that fit directly to the syringe?

also, we were discussing steaming agar, not PCing it. 2 hours in a PC would def fuck a plate.




Luer lock goes directly into the syringe.

Oh, I see, pressure cooking is sterilizing with steam also, I guess...


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
    #24720544 - 10/18/17 08:21 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21922023

This is how I found out you don't need a pc to do agar, it makes sense too. If you can steam sterilize brf (a solid substrate) logic dictates that you can do the same with agar (a liquid medium) since the heat would reach the center of the liquid agar way quicker than a solid substrate which is why we don't pc agar for 60+ minutes, that and anything over 45 minutes will almost definitely caramelize the sugars.

Not saying that you shouldn't buy a pc, but it is getting old seeing everyone mandate getting a pc when you can do everything except for grains without one (or can you steam sterilize grains?). I would've saved a pretty penny had I read that thread a few months ago, but I plan to do grain at some point.

Now I'm pretty drunk, and don't have any experience to back all this up, but I've done a lot of reading over the past year (too much honestly) and I have yet to see anything I've just said get debunked. That being said, I'd like to see some TC's and people with more experience back this up.

If I'm wrong, call me out on it, I'd rather not spread misinformation.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: 00Burnout]
    #24720555 - 10/18/17 08:26 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Yes you can steam agar np and grains if you steam 8 hours strait


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