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lovelaughlibs
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Boogieman47
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My wheat has been super clumpy i suppose thats a sign of too wet ?
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tryptkaloids
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Boogieman47]
#24651915 - 09/22/17 02:42 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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yes sir, before inoculation?
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Boogieman47
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#24651919 - 09/22/17 02:44 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ya and even sometimes after they are really sticky even with gypsum .. i just started using wheat so ive been doing a few different methods and some work better then others
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cronicr



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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Lobi]
#24651949 - 09/22/17 03:09 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Lobi said: Shit isn't so black and white. It's not just water or nutrition, it's aeration, surface area, water retention(% by wt) nutrition genetics etc
Mushrooms are 90% water. Their is not really much nutrition that needs to be involved. Bodhi recently posted talking about strains given low amounts of nutrients can be more resilient, vigorous, and healthy. Where an over nutritious substrate would make it lag in comparison. I don't know the truth to this objectively but I can see that rationally and through experience.
Being said, water capacity seems to be the major focus. When doing gourmets and medicinal we use such ridiculously low spawn ratios. We supplement the substrate to aid with this. Stretch the spawn even farther. But higher ratios would mean less need of supplementation.
For cubes we use ridiculously high spawn ratios. (10-20% spawn for gourmet 33-50% spawn for cubes)
Locn9ne showed with his cube grow of ridiculously low spawn ratios just how important water is. Their is nutrition in coir. But not much; as pasty said, side by side, coir and verm do almost identical. This is because their water content not their nutritional content.
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tombosley8 said: If just a spoonful of grain is needed then there must be something else the myc is eating to gain energy for colonizing the substrate and fruiting.
Maybe but not much imo. mushrooms are 90% water.. Ill say it until I'm dead.
There is still a lot of work to do with bulk..yes we know bulks main goal is water but keep in mind when people like pasty have compared Verm and coir they were still using a lot of spawn so no matter what you use they is still a fuck ton of nutrition in the substrate and nutrition is very important even more so balancing it...if it boiled down to just water using peat for a bulk sub would be acceptable and we could fruit pans on wood chips.
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mushboy
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: cronicr]
#24651952 - 09/22/17 03:12 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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thats a good point. 
so whats in coco that myc colonizes that isnt in peat?
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Germs
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#24651956 - 09/22/17 03:14 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Lignin?
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mushboy
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Germs]
#24651967 - 09/22/17 03:18 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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coco has Lignin……………..............…45.84% Cellulose………….............…43.44% Hemi-Cellulose……………................00.25% Pectin’s and related Compound…………03.00% Water soluble……………..........05.25% Ash…………………….............02.22%
says random google link..
whatever.. ill let someone else figure it out. shits been talked about to death and i doubt ill add anything productive.
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cronicr



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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#24651977 - 09/22/17 03:25 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Peat is pretty well just dirt...which is what makes it a great casing material
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tombosley8
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: cronicr]
#24652088 - 09/22/17 04:21 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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TheMadHatter420 said: It is a little more expensive, but probably not that much per tub.
With 1 bag, I can do like 30 shoeboxes, so to me that's not to bad for ~$20. NOW I can see that being expensive on a large scale. But it is a good alternative for those who have a hard time getting coir. Specially if they would have to go to a pet store and pay $10 for 3 bricks. I got my big ass bag of verm at the Home depot.
So at ~$10 for a 3 pack that works out to about the same.
Exactly what I was thinking looks like I'll be trying some verm soon thanks guys
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tombosley8
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: cronicr]
#24652102 - 09/22/17 04:30 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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cronicr said:
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Lobi said: Shit isn't so black and white. It's not just water or nutrition, it's aeration, surface area, water retention(% by wt) nutrition genetics etc
Mushrooms are 90% water. Their is not really much nutrition that needs to be involved. Bodhi recently posted talking about strains given low amounts of nutrients can be more resilient, vigorous, and healthy. Where an over nutritious substrate would make it lag in comparison. I don't know the truth to this objectively but I can see that rationally and through experience.
Being said, water capacity seems to be the major focus. When doing gourmets and medicinal we use such ridiculously low spawn ratios. We supplement the substrate to aid with this. Stretch the spawn even farther. But higher ratios would mean less need of supplementation.
For cubes we use ridiculously high spawn ratios. (10-20% spawn for gourmet 33-50% spawn for cubes)
Locn9ne showed with his cube grow of ridiculously low spawn ratios just how important water is. Their is nutrition in coir. But not much; as pasty said, side by side, coir and verm do almost identical. This is because their water content not their nutritional content.
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tombosley8 said: If just a spoonful of grain is needed then there must be something else the myc is eating to gain energy for colonizing the substrate and fruiting.
Maybe but not much imo. mushrooms are 90% water.. Ill say it until I'm dead.
There is still a lot of work to do with bulk..yes we know bulks main goal is water but keep in mind when people like pasty have compared Verm and coir they were still using a lot of spawn so no matter what you use they is still a fuck ton of nutrition in the substrate and nutrition is very important even more so balancing it...if it boiled down to just water using peat for a bulk sub would be acceptable and we could fruit pans on wood chips.
Wow thank you both for that. Helps me get a lot better of perspective. But yeah I agree there are so many per factors per substrate material that play into healthy growth it will be hard to narrow anything down to nutes specifically. I agree about what cron said with high ratios. And balancing.
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tombosley8
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#24652134 - 09/22/17 04:41 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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mushboy said: Make sure you clean the shrrom feet of verm before you dry.
I didnt. And the dried vermdust gets all up on the fruits in the dehydrator.
Not pleasant to eat. Verm mouth
I found verm rinsed off really well under a running faucet by just rubbing your finger on it or cutting under the water.
Verm flakes Can get all over your fruits, hands, scissors if you try to clean them normally. It'll rinse right off though.
Also on a completely different subject if anyone ever has a spored out mess on your fruits, a spray bottle on fine mist will clean them up back to pretty.
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dhype773
Enter the Void



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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tombosley8]
#24652155 - 09/22/17 04:54 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Boogie you're a fuckin' BOSS! Best damn Shoomerite on the site!
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cronicr



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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: dhype773]
#24652175 - 09/22/17 05:03 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Boogie has come a long way!
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Boogieman47
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: cronicr]
#24652229 - 09/22/17 05:36 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks guys remember my high dollar professional presto still air box lmao
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tryptkaloids
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Boogieman47]
#24652237 - 09/22/17 05:41 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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presto?
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Boogieman47
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#24652250 - 09/22/17 05:46 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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mushboy
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Boogieman47]
#24652256 - 09/22/17 05:48 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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id use that before id use my bathroom counter again.
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Boogieman47
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#24652262 - 09/22/17 05:52 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Worked pretty good heres my first couple things i did in it ... but i wouldnt go back to anything now i have my hood
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mushboy
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Boogieman47]
#24652269 - 09/22/17 05:57 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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once i own my own place ill build a hood. that pic should be uploaded to every SAB tek. its such an object lesson kinda thing
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