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Leftfield420
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Pastywhyte]
#24650032 - 09/21/17 07:12 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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I got a warning for the same shit from Bodhi yesterday...
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mushroom_therapy
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Leftfield420]
#24650157 - 09/21/17 08:05 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Aw crap, was that in reference to my post towards TBC, if so, my bad. Was a rude thing to say, won't hAppen again!
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mushroom_therapy
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So I've been prepping rain tonight and I am currently drying out my oats I have been doing this for the past four hours and they are still just as wet I put them in colanders is shook them I went out and bought a salad spinner And the hole were too big so it didn't help I now have some in the oven at 150 to dry off and some in there Colanders sitting over the dehydrator...this is not working out any advice people
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natedawgnow
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You are supposed to bring the grains to a boil before dumping them in the colander so they steam themselves dry. Did you dump them in there hot?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: natedawgnow]
#24650561 - 09/21/17 10:48 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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I boiled water then dump the grains in the water turn the heat off and let it sit for a couple hours
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natedawgnow
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Ya so the water wasn't hot enough. I like to do that too, but if I plan on drying my grains and not loading them in a little wet, I bring the water up to a boil one more time and as soon as it is boiling I dump the grains into my colander. That way they are steaming hot and steam evaporate rather quickly. Cut your soak time down just a bit so that the boiling doesn't fuck up your grains.
For your current situation, I would just lay them out as thinly as possible and let them dry a little more then just load em. If you have a blow dryer try going over them with that
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: natedawgnow]
#24650645 - 09/21/17 11:27 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Alright, that makes sense. Hopefully that help and next time. I think I'm just gonna leave them out over night and load them up in the morning. Thanks for help dawg
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tombosley8
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#24650681 - 09/21/17 11:52 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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tryptkaloids said:
the answer to the first question is no. and no they wouldn't do the same, and water isn't the reason (maybe VERY slightly but there's only one way to know) okay, lets start with looking at what these things are made of... coco coir is coconut husk (not shell) and vermiculite is expanded mica IE a mineral that is non-biological. I am unsure of the contents of both but that alone tells me that whatever is in the coir is more beneficial to the cubes. THAT BEING SAID bulk subs are for water capacity, yet coir does have nutes. if you were to sterilize a batch of coir and a batch of verm seperately and leave them in open air I bet the coir would germinate something WAY before the verm would. people spawn to straight verm because bacteria and molds have trouble germinating on it. much more trouble than they do germinating on coir. have you seen the results locn9ne got spawning a single spoonful of grain to pints of coir? they were remarkably prolific. any questions?
Thanks for your interest and well said answer...
but that last statement brings me to believe there is a lot more at play as far as food source and variance in nutrition for cubes to fruit from than just grain..
If just a spoonful of grain is needed then there must be something else the myc is eating to gain energy for colonizing the substrate and fruiting.
I do agree that the main role is water reserving/supplying but I think people really underestimate the help of the added nutrition for fruiting. Coir just like poo has to have certain aspects/chemical makeup that cubes can colonize and utilize for fruiting. without utilizing that nutrition, like by one only using verm, you are really cutting your potential short. Just colonizing a non nutritional substrate will take a lot of energy with nothing to gain but water. sure at 1:1 ratio, grain is 90% or more the source of nutrition, but just that slight amount of variance can make a huge difference. I know just speculation but I just can't see water being the only thing at play.
Thanks for explaining that verm is more resilient of contams and thus why people would use it.
that's the only reason I could see it making any sense.
I would think by now we would have found a non nutritious bulk sub that produces the same amount of fruit.
such as verm. but it's not used because it preforms poorly because of the lack of nutes. just my opinion.
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Pastywhyte
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tombosley8]
#24650689 - 09/21/17 11:55 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Spawning to verm doesn't perform poorly, I did a side by side of straight verm vs coir and verm. Results were identical. I don't use straight verm due to cost.
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tombosley8
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Pastywhyte]
#24650706 - 09/22/17 12:01 AM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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damn well I have to look that up. Thanks I've never heard that from anyone honorable.
and yeah cost makes a lot of sense but what about the time it takes to boil water for every bucket of coir That time is costing you too. verm just needs to be hydrated right?
or does heat treating it help as well?
I can get a 2 cubic foot bag of verm for 15 bucks. idk how much coir that is but is it really that much of a difference in cost?
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Pastywhyte
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tombosley8]
#24650725 - 09/22/17 12:26 AM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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I never did a log here but I like coir in the mix cause it does make for a nice pinning surface. When I did my run with it I still cased the verm sub with coir for a pinning platform. Haven't tried it with a plain verm casing, maybe that might not do so well. But from a straight nutes standpoint they did pretty comparable.
2 cubic ft is like a brick of coir, that's a big difference in cost. Like 15 bucks vs 3.
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tombosley8
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Pastywhyte]
#24650759 - 09/22/17 01:09 AM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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my 2 cubic foot bag would fill like 4 buckets worth of bucketed coir. maybe it is more than 2 cubic feet but thAt's what the bag says.
what size is your brick of coir?
1 brick for me is 650g
once hydrated fills a 5 gal bucket about 2/3 full.
each brick is about 2.50 delivered for cost reference.
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tombosley8
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tombosley8]
#24650765 - 09/22/17 01:16 AM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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tryptkaloids said: have you seen the results locn9ne got spawning a single spoonful of grain to pints of coir? they were remarkably prolific. any questions?
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but that last statement brings me to believe there is a lot more at play as far as food source and variance in nutrition for cubes to fruit from than just grain..
If just a spoonful of grain is needed then there must be something else the myc is eating to gain energy for colonizing the substrate and fruiting.
Also I want see a side by side of this with coir vs straight verm
Here my 2 cubic ft bag still half full and two 5 gal buckets filled to a brick worth of hydrated coir.
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Edited by tombosley8 (09/22/17 04:45 PM)
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TheMadHatter420
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tombosley8]
#24651007 - 09/22/17 06:25 AM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well I don't have any thing going on coir, just the straight VERM, but I'll post when I get some fruits.
On a cost stand point, I got a 60L bag for right around $20. My coir cost me 3.99 for a 3 pack(eco earth) So yea for $20 I could get 15 bricks that would make me about 6-8qt per brick. BUT I do not like eco earth. I get far more contamination with it than verm. I may need to try another brand of coir.
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Germs
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3.99 for a 3 pack? Damn thats a deal. Maybe that's why it contams for you, sounds too cheap like maybe it's old stock or something. I've never seen ecoearth for less than 9.99 at the local stores here and on sale on Amazon for 7.99 for 3. I've had coir in a bucket for a couple months and still used it to spawn tubs with no problems. A 2 cubic ft bag of verm is $10 at my local nursery
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dhype773
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Germs]
#24651042 - 09/22/17 06:51 AM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah, I get eco earth for $7 per brick!
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Pastywhyte
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: dhype773]
#24651053 - 09/22/17 06:59 AM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah my bad I wasn't thinking about how much 2 cubic ft was. But it's still more expensive for me at least.
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TheMadHatter420
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Germs]
#24651080 - 09/22/17 07:23 AM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Germs said: 3.99 for a 3 pack? Damn thats a deal. Maybe that's why it contams for you, sounds too cheap like maybe it's old stock or something. I've never seen ecoearth for less than 9.99 at the local stores here and on sale on Amazon for 7.99 for 3. I've had coir in a bucket for a couple months and still used it to spawn tubs with no problems. A 2 cubic ft bag of verm is $10 at my local nursery
SORRY***$4.99/pk I got it on chewy.com or something like that. They had free shipping on order over $49, so I snagged 10 of the 3 packs. There are a lot of pet websites selling at similar price with free shipping on X amount.
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TheMadHatter420
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It is a little more expensive, but probably not that much per tub.
With 1 bag, I can do like 30 shoeboxes, so to me that's not to bad for ~$20. NOW I can see that being expensive on a large scale. But it is a good alternative for those who have a hard time getting coir. Specially if they would have to go to a pet store and pay $10 for 3 bricks. I got my big ass bag of verm at the Home depot.
So at ~$10 for a 3 pack that works out to about the same.
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mushboy
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Make sure you clean the shrrom feet of verm before you dry.
I didnt. And the dried vermdust gets all up on the fruits in the dehydrator.
Not pleasant to eat. Verm mouth
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