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mushboy
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: TheBlackCat]
#24649453 - 09/21/17 03:58 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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TheBlackCat said: Has anyone ever grown a strain with caps that don't want to open?
 
late flush mexicube clones. every tray had wacked out 2nd and 3rd flushes. really weird. i tossed the culture.
post pics gurl. takes 10 seconds.
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tombosley8
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#24649546 - 09/21/17 04:28 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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ok so would verm provide the same amount of nutes as coir as a bulk sub (in shoeboxes) with a 1:1 ratio? And would they have the same results? Why or why not, and would a difference in water capacity between verm and coir be the reason for the difference? Anything else you'd like to add please feel free to enlighten me.
so you understand the context this started off with a "is verm and gypsum necceasary" question
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mushboy said: thats a mushcult philosophical debate bro. try it out using coco solo, or mixed with 20% verm.. after ahwile.. you see no difference. or at least i dont. so i stopped. now i do 100% coco. nothing else added.
but coir smells like moist dirt. i like it. wifes usually dont.
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TheMadHatter420 said: The nutrition comes from the grain, not the substrate. Coir doesn't really provided nutrition. I spawned jars of oats to the vermiculite.
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icetech said: So the substrate is just for moisture pretty much?
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TheMadHatter420 said: The nutrition comes from the grain, not the substrate. Coir doesn't really provided nutrition. I spawned jars of oats to the vermiculite.
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tombosley8 said: very debateable.
They do provide some nutes and a good variety for fruiting.
though the grain is definitely the majority.
The substrate does also provide water.
verm has not been known to be the best substrate by itself. It does work for some.
I may try it for fun.
also seems myc colonizes coir much more aggressively.
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mushboy said: ..?
its slightly debatable. the bulk(coco) provides water and possible nutes but its overkill anyway because we use high spawn ratios.
so the point is mute. especially growing with shoeboxes. bags and bottle are a completely different story. however, it should be debated in mushcult general discussion or by making another thread.
the function and application of substrates is not the topic here. but i would like to see some shoeboxes done with poop..
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TheMadHatter420 said: I have had opposite results. I get fast colonization with it, and it seems to have plenty of water for me. Worst case scenario is I bottom water.
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TheMadHatter420 said: It was 3 month old spawn. I have issues with coir contaminating easily. SO I went straight vermiculite to hopefully reduce chances of it failing due to contamination.
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Germs
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#24649551 - 09/21/17 04:30 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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mushboy said:
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TheBlackCat said: Has anyone ever grown a strain with caps that don't want to open?
 
late flush mexicube clones. every tray had wacked out 2nd and 3rd flushes. really weird. i tossed the culture.
post pics gurl. takes 10 seconds.
Pretty sure she said in a previous post that she's narrowed it down to shitty genetics because she knows her conditions are ideal.
I've never seen a grow where the caps physically wouldn't open. Cool pics mushboy
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Germs]
#24649579 - 09/21/17 04:38 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Always 70-75 fluctuation. Mostly averaging at 72. I think I just got really weird genetics. This might have been a wild purple mystic print. From the pics I see on the internet purple mystics aren't the best producers. But hey my PESA jars look about ready. 24-48 more hours! I think I'll just harvest and dry these since they look nice maybe today maybe tomorrow. I also upped my air circulation to include not just the airflow from my hep but also a heavy duty small air circulater on low. This should help in the future. Dunno why I didn't do it sooner. Was just afraid everything would dry out. I'll eventually dial it all in.
Edited by TheBlackCat (09/21/17 06:07 PM)
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: TheBlackCat]
#24649602 - 09/21/17 04:42 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Needs alot more fae the fuzzy feet are pretty much the whole stem the stems are also long and straggly and the caps are small provably due to not enough light
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TheBlackCat
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Boogieman47]
#24649608 - 09/21/17 04:44 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Light isn't an issue in my room. I think it's just the genetics but FAE may have been an issue for sure. I have had the circulation on for a few days. Should help with future flushes. I'll harvest and change parameters and see what gives. Thanks for letting me know about fuzzy feet. I knew it wasn't a contaminate just a weird thing.
Edited by TheBlackCat (09/21/17 04:46 PM)
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Boogieman47
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: TheBlackCat]
#24649643 - 09/21/17 04:54 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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If its really humid where you are you probably need to run a fan id say majority of the issues you have is lack of fresh air/too high humidity
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Germs
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: TheBlackCat]
#24649647 - 09/21/17 04:56 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Those need more time and more direct light. The light may be strong enough but it could obviously be closer based on the way they are growing, the different direction thing is conditional over genetics. Those are what the tubs I have on the outside perimeter of the area where I keep them all look like because they're furthest from the light and not directly under it
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Germs]
#24649667 - 09/21/17 05:03 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ok I'll work on the lighting situation. When I have a few extra bucks i'll get a few more LED daylight bulbs and stick them in my lamp and place the lamp on them. I'm still working on saving the money to build a better light system.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: TheBlackCat]
#24649673 - 09/21/17 05:06 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Walmart has cheap 5000-6000k equivalent LED clamp lights for less than $10 if there's one near you. They are what I use for everything mushroom related: SAB work, jar/plate inspection, picture taking, and fruiting
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: TheBlackCat]
#24649674 - 09/21/17 05:06 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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You can buy a dual shop light fixture at home depot for like 10$ or something and a 10 pack of t8 6500k bulbs for 30$ so say you get 2 you only need 50$
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Boogieman47] 1
#24649688 - 09/21/17 05:08 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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TheMadHatter420
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: TheBlackCat]
#24649699 - 09/21/17 05:10 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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TheBlackCat said: Always 70-75 fluctuation. Mostly averaging at 72. I think I just got really weird genetics. This might have been a wild purple mystic print.

No it is not wild. Mine came from a vendor and your print came from that. I STRONGLY feel it is the environment that they grow in, that or contamination is fucking with them.
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Asks for help, refutes suggestions, and insists it's just genetics
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TheBlackCat
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Hey mushroom_therapy. Fuck off. I just said I was going to get better lighting and try their suggestions. I based the possibility of genetics off of prior experience I have had with another strain growing in the same conditions but much more successfully.
Thanks guys! I'm def going to work on the lighting situation.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: TheBlackCat]
#24649859 - 09/21/17 06:05 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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TheBlackCat said: Has anyone ever grown a strain with caps that don't want to open?
that is 100% a sign of bacteria
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TheBlackCat said:

those need light and air. period.
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tombosley8 said: ok so would verm provide the same amount of nutes as coir as a bulk sub (in shoeboxes) with a 1:1 ratio? And would they have the same results? Why or why not, and would a difference in water capacity between verm and coir be the reason for the difference? Anything else you'd like to add please feel free to enlighten me.
so you understand the context this started off with a "is verm and gypsum necceasary" question
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mushboy said: thats a mushcult philosophical debate bro. try it out using coco solo, or mixed with 20% verm.. after ahwile.. you see no difference. or at least i dont. so i stopped. now i do 100% coco. nothing else added.
but coir smells like moist dirt. i like it. wifes usually dont.
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TheMadHatter420 said: The nutrition comes from the grain, not the substrate. Coir doesn't really provided nutrition. I spawned jars of oats to the vermiculite.
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icetech said: So the substrate is just for moisture pretty much?
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TheMadHatter420 said: The nutrition comes from the grain, not the substrate. Coir doesn't really provided nutrition. I spawned jars of oats to the vermiculite.
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tombosley8 said: very debateable.
They do provide some nutes and a good variety for fruiting.
though the grain is definitely the majority.
The substrate does also provide water.
verm has not been known to be the best substrate by itself. It does work for some.
I may try it for fun.
also seems myc colonizes coir much more aggressively.
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mushboy said: ..?
its slightly debatable. the bulk(coco) provides water and possible nutes but its overkill anyway because we use high spawn ratios.
so the point is mute. especially growing with shoeboxes. bags and bottle are a completely different story. however, it should be debated in mushcult general discussion or by making another thread.
the function and application of substrates is not the topic here. but i would like to see some shoeboxes done with poop..
this was also added
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TheMadHatter420 said: I have had opposite results. I get fast colonization with it, and it seems to have plenty of water for me. Worst case scenario is I bottom water.
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TheMadHatter420 said: It was 3 month old spawn. I have issues with coir contaminating easily. SO I went straight vermiculite to hopefully reduce chances of it failing due to contamination.
the answer to the first question is no. and no they wouldn't do the same, and water isn't the reason (maybe VERY slightly but there's only one way to know) okay, lets start with looking at what these things are made of... coco coir is coconut husk (not shell) and vermiculite is expanded mica IE a mineral that is non-biological. I am unsure of the contents of both but that alone tells me that whatever is in the coir is more beneficial to the cubes. THAT BEING SAID bulk subs are for water capacity, yet coir does have nutes. if you were to sterilize a batch of coir and a batch of verm seperately and leave them in open air I bet the coir would germinate something WAY before the verm would. people spawn to straight verm because bacteria and molds have trouble germinating on it. much more trouble than they do germinating on coir. have you seen the results locn9ne got spawning a single spoonful of grain to pints of coir? they were remarkably prolific. any questions?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids]
#24649882 - 09/21/17 06:13 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Mateah said: I seem to be getting a couple of mandatory small yellow spots on all my WBS agar plates but all the DFA plates look clean. I pour them and make transfers at the same time and the sterile procedure is the same for all plates of course.
Could this be that the WBS is more susceptible to certain bacteria that Dog Food for example is not? And does this mean that the DFA probably has suffered also but just not showing?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mateja]
#24649959 - 09/21/17 06:48 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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lol, bod answered in the other thread
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tryptkaloids] 1
#24650000 - 09/21/17 07:01 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Guys I'm pretty tolerant, but telling people to fuck off and other ad hominum replys will earn hammers. That is all.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Pastywhyte] 1
#24650027 - 09/21/17 07:10 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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