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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mycolorado]
    #24609030 - 09/06/17 03:03 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

I'm going to do some research I'm sure my substrate pH is too low and this may be because of that.  I have the master grain jar so I'm going to run it again on regular substrate  proper PH and see what happens.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: hamloaf]
    #24609632 - 09/06/17 06:47 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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When it gets to the psi you want, back the dial down just until it clicks off...around 4.  It'll cool down to 15 or so and kick back on until it hits the psi you were initially at and then cycle.  You can adjust the cycle up from there if wanted by slightly bumping up the dial to kick it back on when it's cooling if that makes sense.  Then you can watch a cycle to make sure it is indeed cycling and forget until done. At least, that's how mine works.




Definitely makes sense.. I think. Hahah.

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I keep my 75x around 6 the whole time. Doesn't seem to heat any slower and then it never gets into the red.

SO this time, once you set it try to remember or mark where is the sweet spot and then try that from the start next time. Obviously there might be some fluctuation from 1 cycle to the next but that has worked for me.

I used to check to be sure it was in the sweet spot about an hour after I shut the valve but it was always perfect so I don't even check any more.

Also got it on a timer so When I shut the valve I just set the timer to go off 30 min more than what the cycle time should be to account for the time it takes to get to pressure.
You need to figure out how long it takes to get to psi for your environment and sterilizer. 30 min is what mine takes.

SOOOO EASY THIS WAY. Once you find the sweet spot it's like too good to be true.




This is what I'm thinking about though. I dialed it all the way up to 8 or 9 and forgot about it for too long, then 20 minutes went by and i was encroaching on danger zone.. So I definitely have to start out much lower and see which number takes me right to the top of green @ about 19 psi and destroy some bags!

The timer idea is interesting though. I could see setting a timer to cycle from on and off every 20 or so minutes and having a nice undulating performance bouncing around the green zone.

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The aa x25s swing way harder than the x75s though (smaller vessel).  There is nothing to fret though.  What ever psi the heating element kicks off at is what the substrate materials inside are at despite the gauge dropping about 5 psi then kicking back on.




The 25x is 25 qts, the 75x is 27.5 qts. Not much difference. The 25x is discontinued and I believe was replaced by the option for the 75X for big and the 50X which is something like 15 qts total.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: SloppyJoseph] * 1
    #24609727 - 09/06/17 07:17 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Hi sloppyjoesph.  If you are saying there is only a two, and a half quart size difference between a x25 & a x75, then we aren't talking about the same things, brother.  I have 2 AAx25's, and two X 75s, and the X75s are about twice the size of the x25s, and fit two times the capacity.  The X 25s seem finickier to find that sweet spot over the x75s, but are actually not.  Had them since 2010, too.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: SloppyJoseph] * 1
    #24609796 - 09/06/17 07:39 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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the x75 are like 40+ qts I believe
and I've let mine get way into the red almost maxed out with sub bags (on accident) And I didn't notice a difference or damage but with pure grain bags you'd probably burst grains and dry things out that way. idk if the bags would burst though? My sterilizers only got that high for say 10 min or so but but I definitely would make sure not to do that for saftey reasons... I should replace my overpressure plug too but It's still working months later.

But

I haven't had a popped bag since I was loading only two per row.  And I've accidentally turned the knob up a couple times so they cooked in the red for a majority of the time. Nor do I see thinning in the bags anymore. When they are crammed in they stay nice and uniform and unwarped.

anyway ramble ramble, what I meant was just don't stress if it hit the red for a few minutes.

But yeah I think you've got the right idea now.

Except the timer thing....

That's just for turning it off at the end of the cycle.

The AA's internal temp and knob is very sensitive and is the best you'll get. I'd think you'd drive yourself crazy trying to rig that timer idea of yours up.

Just have to babysit it for the first couple few times to find the sweet spot to make sure its reliable to that number.

If you go a little above for short periods while learning again I wouldn't stress it.

and you find your sweet spot by what mycolorado was saying too....

when it hits 19 turn down the knob until the light goes off. This should let the pressure drop a couple psi before The light turns back on and heat back up to 19 psi. Then it should go back down and back up in the same spot ish... and that's how you find the G spot.

all of these instructions are based on the 75x so like ham said yours might be a little finickier (if that's even a word)


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Silicon mess [Re: tombosley8]
    #24617454 - 09/10/17 02:28 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Silicone can be messy, the below may help someone

What you need to do is get a plant water spray bottle and add a small amount of washing up liquid to some water to make a soapy solution.

Spray the soapy solution where you have put the silicone to make it wet, make sure the spray is fine and at a wide angle, once you have done this use a profile tool also sprayed wet with the soapy solution and pull the profile tool back across the weld silicone joint, you can use a soapy finger for this also.

You will find this leaves a perfect joint with nothing anywhere but the sealed joint, your profile tool or finger will clean up no problem as the silicone will not stick to it.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Fuglytwatapuss]
    #24617465 - 09/10/17 02:49 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks for the tip watapuss, was gonna use silicone soon so I'll try that. Oh and I took the liberty of changing the subject's name back to "Cultivation General Discussion", hope you don't mind :cheers:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Josex]
    #24617612 - 09/10/17 06:51 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Hello everyone. I am a first timer. I have never grown anything before. Id appreciate if someone could take out some time and go through my thread and make suggestions.
here is the link:

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24597273/fpart/all/vc/1


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: dream.culture]
    #24620300 - 09/11/17 09:53 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Whats everyones favorite grain jar lid tek?

I like frank horigans tek but it seems too good to be true (just poly fill as tight as possible and acts as a filter and an inoculation hole.

anyone like a better tek for their lids? I wanted to order premade ones but all the teks seem pretty easy. I just want the best chance for success as possible. Is there a widely accepted (high success rate) tek that is currently used by most?

Thank you, just curious. I will try anything just curious on preference.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: waxbrain]
    #24620308 - 09/11/17 09:59 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: waxbrain]
    #24620311 - 09/11/17 10:02 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Munchauzen]
    #24620335 - 09/11/17 10:11 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

ham & munch

I think these are both G2G lid teks, correct?. I will eventually need these when I start G2G and both teks are awesome, but I need an inoculation hole. will a hot nail and micropore tape be enough to make an inoculation port for LC and possibly an MS grow for shits to modify your tek ham or do i need a SHIP?

I saw this thread https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20116427#20116427 and saw that the OP is right, once I start agar Im going to have to open the jar anyway. I just figured for my LCs I have I'm safer with an injection port than quickly opening the jar to squirt it in.

Thanks guys.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: waxbrain]
    #24620365 - 09/11/17 10:24 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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Whats everyones favorite grain jar lid tek?




1 small hole. 1 layer tyvek. 2 layers mp tape.

simple, easy, doesnt fail. no modding or rtv leak bs to worry about. takes 2 seconds to make.:thumbup:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
    #24620386 - 09/11/17 10:30 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Do they last PC cycles or do you do them new every time?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: waxbrain]
    #24620395 - 09/11/17 10:32 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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ham & munch

I think these are both G2G lid teks, correct?. I will eventually need these when I start G2G and both teks are awesome, but I need an inoculation hole. will a hot nail and micropore tape be enough to make an inoculation port for LC and possibly an MS grow for shits to modify your tek ham or do i need a SHIP?

I saw this thread https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20116427#20116427 and saw that the OP is right, once I start agar Im going to have to open the jar anyway. I just figured for my LCs I have I'm safer with an injection port than quickly opening the jar to squirt it in.

Thanks guys.



Correct.  With my method all you have to do is move over the filter disk configuration an inch in any direction, and enough space is had to install you a self healing injection port.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: hamloaf]
    #24620410 - 09/11/17 10:39 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

awesome, Ill try and find some SHIPs at the cheapest price offered by maybe a shroomery vendor. anyone know off hand, need a SFD or 2.

Need to stop buying pre-sterile bags, got my PC ready to go.

Also slightly off topic anyone got a favorite portabello culture?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Lobi]
    #24620442 - 09/11/17 10:54 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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Do they last PC cycles or do you do them new every time?




i toss on another layer of mp tape. after about 3-4 runs i just replace the tyvek/tape and start over.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
    #24620507 - 09/11/17 11:24 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

I have a 3/8" hole covered with a piece of SFD affixed with silicone.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: dhype773]
    #24620592 - 09/11/17 12:03 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

I I tossed some spent cakes in a flower pot with a little mulch an verm an put a handful of BR  and now it I has colonized the whole bucket it has put out a few fruits along the edges I was wondering if anyone has any suggestions on how I could fruit it outside? I would really appreciate any comments


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: waxbrain]
    #24620677 - 09/11/17 12:48 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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awesome, Ill try and find some SHIPs at the cheapest price offered by maybe a shroomery vendor. anyone know off hand, need a SFD or 2.

Need to stop buying pre-sterile bags, got my PC ready to go.

Also slightly off topic anyone got a favorite portabello culture?



make one with silicone. you will need that to fix your filter anyway


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: waxbrain]
    #24620757 - 09/11/17 01:27 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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ham & munch

I think these are both G2G lid teks, correct?. I will eventually need these when I start G2G and both teks are awesome, but I need an inoculation hole. will a hot nail and micropore tape be enough to make an inoculation port for LC and possibly an MS grow for shits to modify your tek ham or do i need a SHIP?

I saw this thread https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20116427#20116427 and saw that the OP is right, once I start agar Im going to have to open the jar anyway. I just figured for my LCs I have I'm safer with an injection port than quickly opening the jar to squirt it in.

Thanks guys.



g2g lids? naw. you do not need an inoculation hole. you simply remove the lid and inoculate them and then replace the lid, all within a sab or in front of a hood. its a cleaner method than using self healing injection ports because there is no physical contact being made with anything. self healing injection ports are not sterile due to their direct contact with open air. so at most, their exterior can be sanitized. so you are pushing your sterilized needle through a sanitized object. which is something we really discourage. im sure you've seen what happens when people say they wipe their syringes down with alcohol after flaming them when doing pftek. this is no different. its best to keep your dispensing needle sterile until the moment of inoculation.


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