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Boogieman47
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: c10h12n2o]
#24416850 - 06/19/17 04:13 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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also pasty mentioned to do the rez effect straight verm and your grain if it contams it is your spawn ... and i would go get some hpoo and properly pasteurize and try a side by side ... try to pasteurize your coir as well
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AtomHeart
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Boogieman47]
#24416977 - 06/19/17 06:44 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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So much goes back to your grain game, because there is so much going on. You have to get the grain hydrated enough, but not too much, with dry extriror, but ensure the hull has softened enough for the steam sterilization to work properly without rupturing. Then you have to sterilize for long enough at the right pressure, ensuring trapped air isn't causing a false pressure reading. Then you have to deal with contams trying to infiltrate while the jars cool or when innoculating them...there's a lot of opportunities in the grain prep to introduce future doom.
I've gotten to where I alcohol wipe them and put my jars in the sterile field of my flow hood to cool after they come out of the sterilizer and are shaken, lol, cuz I'm a paranoid mofo.
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Germs
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: AtomHeart]
#24417031 - 06/19/17 07:27 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Would you say that bacterial contamination is the same in all of those aspects?
I ask because through all of those you mentioned, proper grain hydration seems to be the one step, to me, that is causing most of my jars to become bacterial by full colonization. I would imagine that too many burst grains would be overly abundant nutrients for endospores fo germinate on
that being said I only have that problem with oats, the same cultures inoculated at the same time with WBS came out to be my top producing spawn. Oats almost always look questionable by full colonization and don't break up nearly as easily as WBS, but I'm wondering if it could be related to poor quality of oats or the fact that I keep them outside in the bag and it's been hot as fuck lately
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van hatton
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Germs]
#24417142 - 06/19/17 08:33 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Literally too many variables to count. Grain prep is sooooooooooo key to this next to agar work.
All I can do is I think my grain prep has been off. For. A. Longgggg. Time
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abductee
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: van hatton]
#24417219 - 06/19/17 09:17 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hey guys, just thought I'd post a few pics of my Mexicana grow I was planing on creating a journey journal encompassing my atl#7 sometime this morning, but here's some pics for now I just gave a heavy misting and letting it sit a bit before I tilt the excess out.



 And my new tubs that are straight cased with cv

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mushboy
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: abductee]
#24417404 - 06/19/17 10:49 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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for people having issues with grain prep i reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaally cant stress how nice 24 hour soaked wbs is. you can. not. fuck. it. up.
you have to do extra shit to fuck it up. its not as fun as oats/rye. its annoying sometimes.. wbs smells funny.. it gets everywhere..but it works 100%
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jkz
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#24417420 - 06/19/17 10:57 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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It's pretty damn fool proof tbh.
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mushboy
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: jkz]
#24417448 - 06/19/17 11:04 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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i do pc runs with half oat quarts and half wbs quarts right now.
because for whatever fucking reason, my oat jars are being a bitch to fruit. maybe i can get away fruiting dirtier wbs?(bacterial.. also learning more precise agar tek)
i dunno but if i was doing 100% oats right now id be hitting a massive fail wall.. again. and id kill myself.
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TheMadHatter420
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: jkz]
#24417463 - 06/19/17 11:09 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have been wondering if oats are my issue, especially sine that Lucy jar failed, shit looked so clean. I used to put my oats in the water before bringing it up to a boil. I am now bringing the water to a boil then adding my oats. I am also only letting them sit in that water for 40 min, instead of 45. Yesterdays batch only seemed to have a couple burst grains, and I loaded it still kind of wet to let the last moisture soak into the grains during PC cycle, or so I hope. I did let them strain for like 15-20min still so nothing to wet. I just hope they hydrated enough. Time will tell.
@Mush, FUCK THAT WALL. I been against that bitch for the last few months. I have stopped shaking my jars at 30-40% as I feel that spreads the bacteria around and speeds it's destruction up. Where as the jars I leave sit still have bacteria, but no where near as bad. They are showing more promising results.
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mushboy
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i stopped playing with rye for similar reasons. i liked it. but why change up when wbs has worked so well for me.
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jkz
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Man, I would love to have one of you fuckers come to my house and give me some pointers on what to do with these cultures. My brain is killing me trying to figure out wtf to do with it all. I feel like I'm tossing more plates then I ever use, and I have no idea how I'm going to save some of these cultures. Probably gonna make some more agar plates tonight, and a few LC just to see if I can store those fuckers better. Also gonna soak some grain tonight and try another round of LI.
I just want boxes of fruit. Seems to be a lot to ask for sometimes lol still haven't been able to prep cvg. Jars keep stalling or trich out. Gonna fruit blue oysters before anything else ffs.
I hope all your oat prep works out for you guys. That wall is a bitch to be up against.
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mushboy
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: jkz]
#24417508 - 06/19/17 11:31 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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i climb it by staying the fuck away from liquid based inoculates.
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jkz
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#24417531 - 06/19/17 11:44 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have mostly as well, except the past LI I did, that seems to be taking extremely well. LCs aren't my friend. But if it'll store longer then an agar plate (until I can get some slants anyway) I'm gonna give it a whirl. Failing helps me learn, so I've got nothing to lose really.
A2G seems to take to slow for me. Maybe it's just shitty culture I've been putting to grains, but so far every time I've done that I've ended up with stalled jars. Probably hidden bacteria that I can't spot yet.
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mushboy
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: jkz]
#24417541 - 06/19/17 11:47 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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i just know im not a good enough grower to pull it off.
yet
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jkz
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#24417549 - 06/19/17 11:52 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Dude, you're not a bad grower at all mush.
Liquids are just fucky. That's why I like LI. It's just a slurried plate more or less. Prep the grain with a little less water and pour your LI in and shake that bitch. Gets the myc more evenly distributed.
Like I said before tho, it was probably just a shit culture I was using and that's why I was having stalling issues.
These x2 and x3 lgt transfers look a lot better, and I'll be taking another few transfers of the x3 tomorrow. Those x4 transfers better be hella clean that's all I gotta say. I wanna fruit these fuckers already.
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TheMadHatter420
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: jkz]
#24417572 - 06/19/17 12:01 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm up to T6 on LGT, I am starting to get some nice sectoring showing up now. SOOOOO beautiful! got 6 of the T5 plates that will be going to grains tonight/tomorrow.
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jkz
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Damn t6? Nice dude! I've been putting like one of every transfer to grains and it's been failing hard on me lol. Guess I'm gonna have to just take more transfers and keep my fingers crossed. That being said, I think I might take a t3 to LI and to grain as well. I've already done it with a T2 and it's coming along nicely.
I should have more patience honestly. But I'm basically just trying to get some fruit to eat/clone.
One of these days I'll have a good grasp on wtf I'm doing here lol
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Kenetic
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: jkz]
#24418695 - 06/19/17 06:40 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Just keep it simple man. You don't have to prove anything to anyone.
Keep it simple and you'll end up with a lot of shrooms.
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jkz
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Kenetic]
#24418713 - 06/19/17 06:46 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
Kenetic said: Just keep it simple man. You don't have to prove anything to anyone.
Keep it simple and you'll end up with a lot of shrooms.
Good advice. I've got a tendency to way overthink shit and make it 1000x harder on myself then it ever needs to be. Thankfully I have all you guys and you're good advice to follow and read..everyday haha.
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Kenetic
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: jkz]
#24418757 - 06/19/17 07:04 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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I guess I could be more specific.
Get some clean growth on agar. Transfer from that plate to several plates (enough for 3-10 jars plus another plate to keep expanding or store) and when it grows out enough go a2g. You can either spawn all the jars once they colonize or save one to g2g and spawn the rest. A2g is super easy and has a very low risk. I would highly suggest doing strictly a2g until you consistently have zero contams.
G2g ime has very little risk as well but is a little tougher, maybe. In any case this is a very good way for a small time grower to keep things simple and end up with a lot of shrooms.
When you get the hang of a2g and then g2g, try li. Don't even bother with li right now until your g2g is down, the pouring process is similar.
Keepitsimple. Once you are confident you can expand like a boss.
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