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hamloaf
Loaf of Fam.

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TheMadHatter420 said: isn't that more of a crap shoot when you take a pin. With a mature fruit you could at least sample it after the biopsy to know potency.
This is superior methodology than simply throwing any old pin onto agar. When cloning a mature fruit you can also see how the fruit expressed it's genetics, physically. Clone, label, fruit, eat, then determine potency. Allow potency, and growth pattern dictate whether, or not the clone is worth slanting/storing.
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Lobi
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: hamloaf] 2
#24314005 - 05/12/17 10:45 AM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hamington Loafburg said:
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TheMadHatter420 said: isn't that more of a crap shoot when you take a pin. With a mature fruit you could at least sample it after the biopsy to know potency.
This is superior methodology than simply throwing any old pin onto agar. When cloning a mature fruit you can also see how the fruit expressed it's genetics, physically. Clone, label, fruit, eat, then determine potency. Allow potency, and growth pattern dictate whether, or not the clone is worth slanting/storing.

Pins, just like children have an accelerated rate of growth far beyond their mature counterparts. this reflects heavily in my workings with clones.
also clusters and the health of them is far easier to determine when theyre pins, imo. It isnt 'any old pin' as if thats our method. We choose from clusters and healthy pins. What you see as a pin is a huge determination of how it will be when its mature
I dont think cloning from mature fruit is the superior method.
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Allow potency, and growth pattern dictate whether, or not the clone is worth slanting/storing.
You can see this by taking a pin and by the time its ready for a transfer the fruit are mature and the cluster you took it from will show you the same thing(if its worth moving on) You have both capacities to check what you cloned in both routes of action.
To each their own but i dont think your opinion is a superior objective method. their is logic found in both methods.
and most importantly fresh fruit body mycelium, regardless of what stage of growth, is going to give you healthy results and vigorous growth. Its all about how it performs in the end.
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TheMadHatter420
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Lobi]
#24314017 - 05/12/17 10:51 AM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Lobi, that's an interesting point.
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Moabfighter
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I have some KSSS I cloned from agar pin and it's taking far too long to fruit it's coming great now, but took an extremely long time, as did the plate to pin.
Cloning a fruit from a clone is absolutely no different than what I started with, correct?
But if I print one then I can start from scratch yeah?
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Josex
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Moabfighter]
#24314300 - 05/12/17 12:55 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hey sup?
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Munchauzen


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TheMadHatter420 said: isn't that more of a crap shoot when you take a pin. With a mature fruit you could at least sample it after the biopsy to know potency.
Imo testing for potency is a waste of time. Only ppl ive ever seen claim to grow bunk shrooms are noobs. Everything ive grown in the past 5 years would rock ur world. So it either doesnt happen or is so exceedingly rare that you shouldn't worry about it.
MS is a crapshoot. Cloning a pin is probably the best way to clone a culture.
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dhype773
Enter the Void



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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Munchauzen]
#24314459 - 05/12/17 02:32 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Got a wild pan cyan print sent to me from Texas. Time to get started on some isolation!
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Huskies
Boop More Snoots



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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: dhype773]
#24314500 - 05/12/17 02:54 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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So after building my blender jar, I quickly came to the conclusion that I should try grain slurries. I have a jar of PESH and Amazon that are fully colonized, and I'm going to expand the crap out of them.
How much of a quart should I put in my blender bottle. A pint's worth? Less? It will be colonizing 18 WBS grain jars and 16 bottle tek ones.
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abductee
Time



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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: dhype773]
#24314526 - 05/12/17 03:05 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Someone sent me a small print from Texas, said it was just a wild mushroom, no clue what it is. Couldn't get it to germinate. It's got the potential magic tho.
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Boogieman47
Let's boogie


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Huskies] 1
#24314527 - 05/12/17 03:05 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Here you go huskies
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ManifoldPrime
Per Ardua Ad Astra



Registered: 03/16/17
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Boogieman47]
#24314560 - 05/12/17 03:22 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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What kinda capacity are we looking at here? In terms of how much grain you get per session?
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Boogieman47
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20 qts per run 23qt prestos now if we were all ballers and have the 941 i think you can get 20 qt each pc
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dhype773
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: abductee]
#24314576 - 05/12/17 03:30 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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abductee said: Someone sent me a small print from Texas, said it was just a wild mushroom, no clue what it is. Couldn't get it to germinate. It's got the potential magic tho.
I got this from someone on mycotek
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ManifoldPrime
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Boogieman47]
#24314594 - 05/12/17 03:39 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Nice.
I still have the severe limitation of a small older PC. so 4 Quarts or less pr for me
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Boogieman47
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Ya thats no bueno you can get a presto on amazon from 70 to 80 $
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abductee
Time



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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: dhype773]
#24314617 - 05/12/17 03:47 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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it be cool if the print he sent me was a pan. one way to find out, try and germinate it again.
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Kenetic
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: hamloaf] 2
#24314682 - 05/12/17 04:21 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hamington Loafburg said:
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TheMadHatter420 said: isn't that more of a crap shoot when you take a pin. With a mature fruit you could at least sample it after the biopsy to know potency.
This is superior methodology than simply throwing any old pin onto agar. When cloning a mature fruit you can also see how the fruit expressed it's genetics, physically. Clone, label, fruit, eat, then determine potency. Allow potency, and growth pattern dictate whether, or not the clone is worth slanting/storing.

Yes. I never clone pins because of similar logic. Seems irresponsible to me
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Boogieman47
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Kenetic]
#24314857 - 05/12/17 05:42 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Can i grow oysters on coir or just wood i only have softwood here where i live
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van hatton
Still a noob



Registered: 11/23/14
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Boogieman47]
#24314869 - 05/12/17 05:46 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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I have been using straw for my edibles. Good results so far with Kings. Just "installed" a duct to my grow tent for fresh air.
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Boogieman47
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: van hatton]
#24314878 - 05/12/17 05:51 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Oh ya ive got a bunch of straw i forgot how do you just pasteurize and use just straight straw ? Im thinking ill fruit in a unmodified mono and tip it on its side once colonized till i can get part of my barn put together ...
How do they manage to noc up those large ass bags they hang
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